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Larmel (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月13日上午10:53:46
Foje eblas diveni, de kie venas esperantisto, per lia/ŝia maniero prononci la literon R. La tipe angla aŭ franca prononcoj ne estas ĝustaj por Esperanto - sed se vi prononcos ĝin tiel, la homoj tamen komprenos. Mi trovis jenan filmeton en YouTube, kiu klarigas, kiel prononci la italan aŭ hispanan R, kiu estas sama kiel la sono uzata en Esperanto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9eN2B7Wj68. Mi vidas, ke en YouTube troviĝas pluraj filmetoj, kiuj klarigas kiel "ruli" la sonon R. Eble kelkaj el tiuj estos helpaj por vi.
marbuljon (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月13日下午6:08:52
Also I'm not sure if it's polite to ask here and hijack the thread - but how is ŭ pronounced?? I keep hearing "most people can't pronounce ŭ" but I haven't even seen/heard an explanation of how it should be, then.
vikungen (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月13日下午7:46:32
L_B_:Anybody know how to pronounce the 'r'?I've read and heard that the "r" can be correctly pronounced either guttural as in French or rolled like in Norwegian, and I guess Spanish etc. but that it should not be pronounced as in English. I myself have no trouble understanding people using neither guttural nor rolled, I find the rolled being the most commonly used, but I personally think the guttural French "r" sounds better in some instances but that's just me. On the other hand the english "r" sounds a little funky in Esperanto.
Please share your acrobatics with me.
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And to Marbuljon.
The "ŭ" is pronounced just as the "u" except for that it is only used in diphthongs? It is not treated as a independent vowel as to where to put the pressure in pronounciations.
That's why ankaŭ is pronounced: Ankaŭ instead of ankAŬ, ankOraŭ instead of ankorAŭ etc.
and the ŭ and u are mostly pronounced as the swedish "o", not as the norwegian or swedish "u" or German "ü", and then the Esperanto "o" is pronounced "å".
Hundo = Hondå etc.
Bruso (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月13日下午10:24:17
vikungen:Hmmm. Where did you hear the French r recommended? I've heard otherwise. In particular, Jordan in "Being Colloquial in Esperanto" suggests it can be confused with the ĥ.
I've read and heard that the "r" can be correctly pronounced either guttural as in French or rolled like in Norwegian, and I guess Spanish etc. but that it should not be pronounced as in English.
I think a flapped single-r and a trilled double-r (as in superrigardo or Interreto) is best.
Rujo (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月14日上午12:29:22
chkube (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月14日上午2:55:31
Bruso:In french "r" can sound like "ĥ" after "k" (and after "f" or "t" maybe), but in other cases, even if it's still guttural, I think it's not so bad.
Hmmm. Where did you hear the French r recommended? I've heard otherwise. In particular, Jordan in "Being Colloquial in Esperanto" suggests it can be confused with the ĥ.
cannona (顯示個人資料) 2014年12月14日上午4:05:52
L_B_:Anybody know how to pronounce the 'r'?I've not had a problem reproducing this sound, but my 9 year old daughter struggled with it a bit. I read somewhere that a good way to learn it is by saying the word "butter" fast. Then, slowly start losing the "bu", and once you've managed that, start practicing saying that with various Esperanto words. It only took my daughter a few minutes to get it, but my wife is a native Spanish speaker, so that might have given her an advantage, as she certainly heard it a great deal when growing up.
Luck.
