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More women and young people?

de Alkanadi, 6 de agosto de 2015

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Idioma: English

Alkanadi (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 14:11:12

Do you think that Esperanto needs more youth and more women? Do you think there is a good balance?

Mankas Virinoj en Esperantujo

KStef (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 16:21:33

I've just remembered myself that in the EU government they think in government should be (at least) 35% of women. They think women should have a better chance to win elections ridego.gif

(Sorry for my mistakes. Correct them, please).

bdlingle (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 17:09:43

KStef:I've just remembered myself that in the EU government they think in government should be (at least) 35% of women. They think women should have a better chance to win elections ridego.gif

(Sorry for my mistakes. Correct them, please).
I can help friend!

You could say: I've just remembered that in the EU, they think, that in the government it should be(at least) made of 35% of women. They think that women should have better chance at winning elections ridego.gif

oreso (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 18:30:57

Need more X? Why? People are free to be interested in what they like, and it might be that learning languages is more interesting, on average, to older people and to guys than it is to younger people and to girls, for whatever reason. I'm not interested in knitting for example, and no amount of "knitting needs more younger guys!" will convince me otherwise.

So, although I can't say I mind about absolute numbers, as long as there's no actual discrimination against any particular group, it's fine by me.

I have to say SES, at least, seemed aggressively welcoming. ridulo.gif

Vestitor (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 18:55:45

oreso:Need more X? Why? People are free to be interested in what they like, and it might be that learning languages is more interesting, on average, to older people and to guys than it is to younger people and to girls...

So, although I can't say I mind about absolute numbers, as long as there's no actual discrimination against any particular group, it's fine by me.
That's the thing though. Think of sciences like Physics. Is it that fewer women are interested in physics, or that the whole area is quite a male place? How long has it taken for women's football to be properly accepted? I don't think you can measure interest by participation because there may be (usually are) obstacles for certain people and groups.

oreso (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 20:46:09

Vestitor:That's the thing though. Think of sciences like Physics. Is it that fewer women are interested in physics, or that the whole area is quite a male place? How long has it taken for women's football to be properly accepted? I don't think you can measure interest by participation because there may be (usually are) obstacles for certain people and groups.
You say 'usually' but I don't think we should assume either way. I mean, my English literature classes were 'quite a female place' and I'm fairly certain most knitting groups are too, but that's not to say I would face discrimination in either place. Maybe I would, but I'm not gonna assume. And, from my limited exposure at least, Esperantujo seems far more diverse than those places anyhow. ridulo.gif

Vestitor (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 21:32:51

I'm not assuming anything. There are reasons your Eng lit classes were female dominated; they mirror the reasons why pink dolls are sold for little girls.

Like you say though, Esperantujo is probably more diverse than the norm.

erinja (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 22:27:45

It depends on the country. In some countries, people interested in Esperanto are overwhelmingly female.

Whatever the reasons in any given country, I think a skewed demographic is hard to reverse without conscious work. Even a very welcoming group of all white men, by their very existence, might present subtle signals to a woman or a non-white person that "this hobby isn't popular with people like me, maybe it's not for me after all". Same thing if a white man walks into an Esperanto meeting and it's all black women. Even if they are super welcoming, he might feel weird about it and he might be disinclined to return.

Vestitor (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 22:32:11

erinja:Same thing if a white man walks into an Esperanto meeting and it's all black women. Even if they are super welcoming, he might feel weird about it and he might be disinclined to return.
I think I'd want to stay, but that might just be me. ridulo.gif

erinja (Mostrar o perfil) 6 de agosto de 2015 22:34:30

I'm a mechanical engineer and many of my school years were spent in diverse schools, so I have no problems with being the only one of my demographic in the room. But not everyone is equally comfortable and sometimes it doesn't take a lot to put people off (me, what puts me off - going to an Esperanto event and finding nothing but eternaj komencantoj).

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