rikforto:In the case of the EU, the high court ruled that the point of service matters too. If you want to provide a service in EU, you have to play by EU rules. Lernu! couldn't move its servers to Bahrain to get out of that, at least in principle. How Europe intends to enforce that is a complete mystery to me.

This verdict by the EU court mainly applies to commercial companies, whose servers are located all over the world and whose headquarter in some country, but whose business is partly in the EU. That's enforcable, because if you want to make business in a particular country, you somehow need to be present in that country, and thus you are sanctionable by the local authorities.

So Google, Facebook and Amazon do have their affiliates in the EU and the executives of these can be sued due to EU law. And they can't refer to servers being in the US.

Yes, clamping down on corporate tax dodgers.

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erinja:

rikforto:Another example of this phenomenon is when someone melts down because they're asked to respect boundaries, resorts to anti-Semitic slurs, melts down, plays the victim when they refuse to give a proper apology, and then alludes to a distorted version of the whole incident at every available opportunity for weeks. Give it a rest.

But don't you think it's charming to read comments from people who think they have constitutional freedoms of speech on a privately-run web forums?

I'm English, we don't have a constitution. Do I have to appeal to Magna Carta?

Hahaha!

However, only three clauses remain on statute. So unless someone tries to infringe the traditional liberties of the City of London, inhibit the freedom of the Church of England, or violate English due process on this web forum, I'm afraid it doesn't do a lot to protect you.

Brilliant. Once I figure out how to administer a gauntlet digitally I will stand ready to protect these cherished and historical freedoms.

Wow, this thread got.... extremely off-topic.

From a question about LGBTQ+ Esperanto groups to how laws apply to websites. XD

However, I've got a question that's a lot more related to the original post, but still a bit... digressing?

Anyways, does anyone know if there's a generally accepted Esperanto word for non-binary? My first guess with my komencanto knowledge would be that it might be something like "malbinara" or "nebinara." Nebinara sounds better to me because nonbinary isn't like... the opposite of binary genders. But if there's a term that people (at least in the Esperanto LGBTQ+ community) will recognize better, or if there's a word that makes more sense, I'd love to know it.

Hi Casperr -

I don't know that there's a widely accepted term for "nonbinary" in Esperanto (yet) ...

My suggestion would be eksterbinara or eksterduuma - "outside the binary", which seems fairly accurate. Nebinara seems good too - I would avoid mal- since we're not dealing with direct opposites here.

Casperr -- For me, nebinara feels the most natural.

Casperr:Wow, this thread got.... extremely off-topic.

From a question about LGBTQ+ Esperanto groups to how laws apply to websites. XD

However, I've got a question that's a lot more related to the original post, but still a bit... digressing?

Anyways, does anyone know if there's a generally accepted Esperanto word for non-binary? My first guess with my komencanto knowledge would be that it might be something like "malbinara" or "nebinara." Nebinara sounds better to me because nonbinary isn't like... the opposite of binary genders. But if there's a term that people (at least in the Esperanto LGBTQ+ community) will recognize better, or if there's a word that makes more sense, I'd love to know it.

The Esperanto Wikipedia gives neduuma and nebinara (as well as neŭtrala genro which I don't think is a very good translation because gender neutral doesn't describe all nonbinary people's experience). I've also seen genrokvira and sengenra to refer to genderqueer and agender.

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Alkanadi:You deserve unlimited freedom until you use it to hurt someone.

This is the problem with such simplistic sound bites.

No matter what you do, SOMEbody is going to be "hurt" by something you do or say.

You are right it is too simplistic. Let me qualify it a little more:

You deserve unlimited freedom until you use it to hurt someone physically or financially or by purposefully inflicting psychological damage (such as verbal bullying).

Everything in life is a balance, but I think this is fair.

As for why people need to know there are others like them, it's because without that, they start to feel like they're sick or wrong somehow. Then self-loathing and other problems are quick to follow.

My own experience with this is discovering there's such a thing as "graysexual". For me, this is being functionally asexual a good 99% of the time, but 1% of the time with very specific people or situations, it's off the charts. For many years, I assumed I was "repressing" or "unhealthy" and you can imagine such negativity starts to take its toll. All the fantasizing or desiring or "isn't he hot" stuff people do just isn't there for me. It's not about being some unique beautiful snowflake, but about not feeling like you're sick or deranged for being different. And sexuality is a big part of being a human being.

Finding that it's possible to be happy and have a healthy relationship without having to suppress or fundamentally alter how someone experiences attraction or sex is very important. Self-loathing does little to change things, unlike what some might suggest.

DuckFiasco:...

Very well put. Thank you.

I might also add that human sexuality is much more varied and nuanced than most people think. There is a tendency to oversimplify and just assume that most people's experiences are similar to your own (or your acquaintances' ).