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LGBTQ+ and Esperanto

de punkmat, 2015-aŭgusto-20

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Oportet (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-23 20:32:05

A does not stand for Ally. By definition of being an Ally, that is someone who is not LGBTQA but still supports them, you cannot be a part of the LGBTQA definition/group. I've always heard the A standing for Asexual/Aromantic/Agender.

robbkvasnak (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-23 20:51:21

I am a member of LSG and the newly elected editor of the LSG newsletter Forumo. The usage of letters to denote people's orientation or life-style or preferences or identification stems from the USA where we once started out with G and then quicklly started using up the alphabet. I am proposing that in Esperanto we use "ĉielarkano" for this reason: in Lille there were 63 participants in our LSG meeting. Just about everybody had a new letter to add to our name so that GLAT doesn't even begin to cover it all. In American English the G stood for "gay" which at one time meant sort of "queer" or "not straight" (whatever that is). And then people started the letter game. But I don't feel as though I have to define all of my feelings to everyone in the group, though I do feel great in this group of total diversity. I suggest that we get away from the pigeonhole idea of trying to define everyone down to crossing the t's (which can be transgender or transsexual or transvestite).
"Ĉielarkano" is just a suggestion. Maybe there is another more inclusive term that just feels fine for us all, no matter what our physical attributes are and how we identify and what we love and how we love and whom we love.
If we can all just acknowledge that we are together because we need each other, totally, that we want each others' support and love, then we will be just fine.
Any comments?

rikforto (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-23 20:55:08

Oportet:A does not stand for Ally. By definition of being an Ally, that is someone who is not LGBTQA but still supports them, you cannot be a part of the LGBTQA definition/group. I've always heard the A standing for Asexual/Aromantic/Agender.
I feel the sentiment that undergirds this, but I have to disagree to its absolutism as well as the argument. As to the argument, by definition an ally is someone who supports gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer, and ace people. So you're only correct if LGBTQA is strictly defined that way, not the other way around. Your argument is circular.

I would have left this well enough alone, but this is a good lead in to pointing out the acronym is contested with multiple understandings. And there is a good conversation to be had about allies sometimes being lumped in the acronym (LGBTQA people showed up to protest the new law) and sometimes out of it (LGBTQA people face disproportionate discrimination their straight counterparts do not). And a real conversation about how allies should expect to sometimes not be a stakeholder, yes, even in the alphabet soup.

But it is a far cry to say that the "A" always excludes allies.

punkmat (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 02:33:06

robbkvasnak:
"Ĉielarkano" is just a suggestion. Maybe there is another more inclusive term that just feels fine for us all, no matter what our physical attributes are and how we identify and what we love and how we love and whom we love.
If we can all just acknowledge that we are together because we need each other, totally, that we want each others' support and love, then we will be just fine.
Any comments?
I really like the sound of that, it sounds really pretty and it is pretty inclusive. This would cover all of the lettes of the standard LGBT, and also non-binary, asexual, etc people. Thank you!

Tempodivalse (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 03:19:11

In my experience, few people read the "A" as "asexual" - in fact, a lot of people seem to be dismissive of it (unfortunately even in the LGBT community). This seems to be changing nowadays, though - as I can see by the fact nobody in this thread thought twice about it.

Speaking of which - What is a good Esperanto translation for "asexuality"? The best I could do is neniuseksemo, to mimic the existing samseksemo, ambauxseksemo, aliseksemo but I keep feeling there's a better alternative I'm not seeing.

We could just import aseksual/ but this seems to be a cheap solution.

jagr2808 (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 05:22:21

Tempodivalse:In my experience, few people read the "A" as "asexual" - in fact, a lot of people seem to be dismissive of it (unfortunately even in the LGBT community). This seems to be changing nowadays, though - as I can see by the fact nobody in this thread thought twice about it.

Speaking of which - What is a good Esperanto translation for "asexuality"? The best I could do is neniuseksemo, to mimic the existing samseksemo, ambauxseksemo, aliseksemo but I keep feeling there's a better alternative I'm not seeing.

We could just import aseksual/ but this seems to be a cheap solution.
neseksema?

Red_Rat_Writer (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 06:23:39

I recognize A as being Asexual/Aromantic/Agender. I've met a few asexual individuals and I myself don't align with a single gender.
Although, agender is under the umbrella of transgender.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 10:16:21

I know at least one 'out' and vocal asexual esperantist, which was the first I heard of it, but fortunately it has been in the news a bit more lately. Always good for raising awareness.

I think neseksema is the best translation but I haven't checked Sonja's dictionary yet.

Rajzino (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 17:27:24

erinja:I think neseksema is the best translation but I haven't checked Sonja's dictionary yet.
I checked it (here), and you are right. For the meaning "not sexually attracted to people", Sonja's dictionary gives neseksema as a translation for asexual.

Vestitor (Montri la profilon) 2015-aŭgusto-24 17:43:41

All this naming and joining groups. Asexual is what? If someone is not having it away with someone (for whatever reason; short-term or longer-term) do they really need to dream up an official name and join a group; some of whose happenstance members they have nothing in common with?
There's a little too much cod-philosophy hanging around this movement.

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