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Baby refered to as Gxi

od Alkanadi, 31 sierpnia 2015

Wpisy: 13

Język: English

Alkanadi (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 06:43:08

Can you refer to a baby as Gxi?

Alkanadi (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 07:08:57

Roch:When still unborn... But when the gender is known, and even got a name, it would confuse-shock me ~
I was reading an Esperanto book by Willam sol Benson, who was a famous Esperantist and he used Gxi to describe a baby that was already eating and sitting up.

jagr2808 (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 07:29:43

Alkanadi:Can you refer to a baby as Gxi?
From what I know ĝi is just an ungendered pronome not like it in english. Therefor as long as you don't wanna specify gender you can use ĝi.

Thats at least how I use it.

Example:
Morgaux mi ŝanĝos kuraciston. Mi esperas ke mi ŝatos ĝin.

jagr2808 (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 07:58:04

ĝi. Pron., uzata por referenci aŭ al senseksa realaĵo aŭ al estaĵo, kies sekson oni ne bezonas precizigi: la tranĉilo tranĉas bone, ĉar ĝi estas akraZ; la infano ploras, ĉar ĝi volas manĝiZ.
http://vortaro.net/#%C4%9Di

Miland (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 11:04:27

Alkanadi:Can you refer to a baby as Ĝi?
I would agree, unless perhaps her parents have already named her Ĝiĝi. ridulo.gif

Tempodivalse (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 13:42:22

It's fine to use ghi with infants - don't you do this in English too?

I think ghi can also be used when the gender is unimportant or "generic" (if you dislike the generic gender-neutral li) - for words like homo, though this seems somewhat rare.

Esperanto's pronouns don't map 100% on to English's - keep that in mind.

Alkanadi (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 14:02:07

Tempodivalse:It's fine to use ghi with infants - don't you do this in English too.
Very rarely. It isn't respectful in our culture. Normally, if we don't know the sex, we say "the baby" or "her/his baby".

Moosader (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 14:06:06

If I ever have a baby, I intend to not assign any pronouns to it. So, Esperante, possibly 'gxi' (or neoficiala 'ri' ), and in English probably 'they'.

Anyway, in Esperanto, gxi is neutral, but since a lot of learning resources translate it as 'it' in English, a lot of people have an aversion towards using gxi for people. It is meant to be neutral, though. I don't know whether anyone would have a problem with that...

Alkanadi (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 14:27:33

Moosader:Anyway, in Esperanto, gxi is neutral, but since a lot of learning resources translate it as 'it' in English, a lot of people have an aversion towards using gxi for people.
That is so true. I think it would be hard to translate religious material for that reason since god or gods (in the western concept) shouldn't really have a gender.

If a god has a gender then it has reproductive parts. If it has those parts then how are they being used. Or, are such parts useless adornments.

Therefore, you would have to use gxi and then religious people won't like it because it sounds disrespectful to English speakers.

erinja (Pokaż profil) 31 sierpnia 2015, 15:27:50

I refer to babies as "it" all the time, if I don't know the gender or if it doesn't matter to me. Similarly I refer to babies as "gxi" in Esperanto, under the same circumstances.

I think this is common. Everyone surely must have been in a situation to say to someone "That baby simply won't stop crying, won't someone take it out of the room?". When a stranger has a crying baby, no one really cares what's found between the baby's legs, they just want the baby taken care of somehow.

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