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Aleksachjo (显示个人资料) 2015年9月20日下午2:02:58
Do not. Try or Try not. There is no try.
How would one render that in Esperanto.
The obvious way is:
Ne provu. Faru or ne faru. Ne estas provo.
or as I did on my profile page:
"Ne provu. Faru aux ne faru. Ne estas «provi».
The problem is that try can be either a noun or a verb (in English), but in Esperanto it has to be one or the other.
Ne provu. Aux faru aux ne faru. Ne diru "Mi provos...."
I'm also wondering if those unfamiliar with the quotation might be misunderstood any way it's translated unless you like the movie.
In the context of the movie it means: "You have the ability to do it. You can do it! Doubting yourself will lead to failure."
or maybe more bluntly: "Don't half-ass it, kid."
It could also be taken to mean:
"Don't even bother trying if there's a chance you're not going to be able to do it."
Just a Sunday morning pondering I'm having.....
erinja (显示个人资料) 2015年9月20日下午2:14:53
"faru aux ne faru" is ordinary Esperanto. Yoda's whole thing is unusual word order, so if you wanted to capture his flavor, you'd want to do the words in a slightly unusual (but still understandable order)
Aleksachjo (显示个人资料) 2015年9月20日下午3:27:47
erinja:Are you trying to translate into normal Esperanto, or to transmit the flavor of how Yoda talks into Esperanto?I agree but I'm a newbie, so if I don't translte it into ordinary Esperanto, people might think I'm making mistakes.
"faru aux ne faru" is ordinary Esperanto. Yoda's whole thing is unusual word order, so if you wanted to capture his flavor, you'd want to do the words in a slightly unusual (but still understandable order)
.Before I started digressing, I guess the whole point was how do you translate, "There is no try".
Thanks
dbob (显示个人资料) 2015年9月20日下午5:38:08
Do, or do not. There is no "try"
Fari, aŭ ne. Ne estas "provi"
Rajzin (显示个人资料) 2015年9月28日下午1:53:14
erinja:Yoda's whole thing is unusual word order, so if you wanted to capture his flavor, you'd want to do the words in a slightly unusual (but still understandable order)While not as much the case for this particular quote, I guess many Yoda quotes can just be translated as is, as a OSV word order is unusual in Esperanto too.
For example:
"Powerful you have become, the dark side I sense in you."
Fortega vi iĝis, la mallumflankon mi sentas en vi.
"Patience you must have, my young padawan."
Paciencon vi devas havi, mia juna padawano.
"Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."
Malfacilas (antaŭ)vidi. Ĉiam moviĝanta estas la estonto.
"Around the survivors a perimeter create."
Ĉirkaŭ la postvivintoj perimetron kreu.