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Oŝo-Jabe (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:13:29 Ngày 24 tháng 2 năm 2008
Ne lasu fino de ĉio per la agoj de ili.
or
Ne lasu ili igi la fino de ĉio
billpatt1942 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 05:24:48 Ngày 24 tháng 2 năm 2008
Oŝo-Jabe:I was trying to translate the following phrase: "Don't let them immanitize the Eschaton." My attempts at translation is below.Suggestion: Ne permesu ke ili finigos cxion.
Ne lasu fino de ĉio per la agoj de ili.
or
Ne lasu ili igi la fino de ĉio
It is always difficult to translate without a context. Without reading your translation, I wouldn't have a clue what immanitize means. Sounds like it could be an entertaining book(?), or a deep one.
Bill
Miland (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:10:39 Ngày 24 tháng 2 năm 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_escha...
Reading this article, I interpret the phrase to mean, to try to realise a model of a idealised messianic age, beyond the end of this world as we know it, in this one.
If we interpret this eschaton as 'the world to come' , one possibility may be
'Ne provu krei la estontan mondon en ĉi tiun.'
Miland (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:12:53 Ngày 24 tháng 2 năm 2008
richardhall (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:58:54 Ngày 24 tháng 2 năm 2008
Eschaton is tricky, lifted as it is straight from Greek. I'd suggest that it would be better to simply transliterate this: Eskato. It's a bit of technical jargon, so I reckon it is best left recognizable. Or what about 'Ĉio-fino' if we really must fully 'Esperantize' (!) it?
So my modest proposal would be
Ne permesu, ke oni nunigas la Eskaton.
There's a theological argument to be had about all this - but that would take alot longer than the translation question?
erinja (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 23:32:38 Ngày 24 tháng 2 năm 2008
richardhall:So my modest proposal would beThat would be "Ne permesu ke oni nunigu la Eskaton"
Ne permesu, ke oni nunigas la Eskaton.
The -u ending here is important. Don't use -as or -os for that second verb (those tenses would make it either mean that the action is currently happening - in which case your efforts are pointless because it is already happening - or else, mean that the action is inevitable for the future, also rendering your efforts pointless)
richardhall (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 00:11:37 Ngày 25 tháng 2 năm 2008
Oŝo-Jabe (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 19:56:31 Ngày 16 tháng 4 năm 2008
trojo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:56:44 Ngày 16 tháng 4 năm 2008
Oŝo-Jabe:I was trying to translate the following phrase: "Don't let them immanitize the Eschaton." My attempts at translation is below.The real question is, how to translate "fnord"?
Keep in mind that there are two words in English, pronounced the same but spelled differently, that mean very different things.
Immanent:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immanent
Meaning "indwelling", usually only used in a theological sense.
Imminent:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/imminent
Meaning it could happen at any moment (though not necessarily soon).
The Principia Discordia uses the first, theological, sense, if I remember correctly. That is, to me, it means "don't let them make God dwell within the end of the world", i.e. don't let "them" (the Illuminati of course) make beliefs about the end of the world be the center of religious thought and action.
Ne permesu loĝigi Dion ĉe la fino de la mondo.
Oŝo-Jabe (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:19:25 Ngày 18 tháng 4 năm 2008
trojo:The Principia Discordia uses the first, theological, sense, if I remember correctly. That is, to me, it means "don't let them make God dwell within the end of the world", i.e. don't let "them" (the Illuminati of course) make beliefs about the end of the world be the center of religious thought and action.You bring up an good point, and "inherent" is pretty close to what immanent means. According to the Reta Vortaro "inherent" in Esperanto is "imanenta". So the sentence could be:
Ne permesu, ke ili imanentigu la Eskaton.
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erinja:The -u ending here is important. Don't use -as or -os for that second verb (those tenses would make it either mean that the action is currently happening - in which case your efforts are pointless because it is already happening - or else, mean that the action is inevitable for the future, also rendering your efforts pointless)Does this mean that -u is both imperative, and ~something else~?