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Nonsense Syllable in Songs?

от NJ Esperantist, 30 марта 2016 г.

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Язык: English

NJ Esperantist (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 1:45:58

Is there a standard or often used 'nonsense syllable' in Esperanto songs? In English there are some songs that repeat a nonsense syllable such as 'la' or 'do' to finish a line in a song. Specifically I'm thinking about the campfire song 'Baby Shark' which my daughter introduced to us a few years ago after a Girl Scout retreat.

erinja (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 11:23:18

No standard syllable but I think English might be less standard than you think, itself. Plenty of songs use all different nonsense syllables other than the ones you mention, if you think about it.

Alkanadi (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 13:30:07

NJ Esperantist (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 14:11:49

I think I'll choose a syllable that is not already a word in Esperanto already then. This is for a fun video I'm doing about making a push stick for a table saw. The process is so rudimentary that I don't feel it needs a descriptive step by step, so I'm setting it to a parody of the aforementioned Shark song. The Shark song uses 'do do do' (pronounced 'du du du' in Esperanto orthography) as the nonsense syllable. Since 'du' has a meaning already, I'll go with 'tu' which is similar enough.

NJ Esperantist (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 14:12:58

Alkanadi:You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOv8nG2mAWk
Sort of.

erinja (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 14:55:54

I think "du du du" is fine, no one would ever mistake it for "two" in the context.

I've heard of plenty songs using "nai nai nai" as the nonsense syllable, without worrying that it sounds just like the word "nigh", or "dum dum dum" without worrying that it conflates with "dumb" ridulo.gif

NJ Esperantist (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 15:39:49

Cool. Less mind bending for me while singing.

Pathu5 (Показать профиль) 30 марта 2016 г., 16:04:06

erinja:I think "du du du" is fine, no one would ever mistake it for "two" in the context.

I've heard of plenty songs using "nai nai nai" as the nonsense syllable, without worrying that it sounds just like the word "nigh", or "dum dum dum" without worrying that it conflates with "dumb" ridulo.gif
I would add a famous example of this: The Boxer by Simon and Garfunkel. Though the syllable is "lai lai lai," Nobody confuses it for the word "lie."

Likewise, Do Re Mi from Sound of Music points out the similar sounds of nonsense/musical syllables and real words as a memory tactic.

NJ Esperantist (Показать профиль) 11 апреля 2016 г., 17:13:35

In case any one is curious, here's what I did with the answer to the question I originally posted. Warning: It was never intended as great art, more of a joke. [ link to YouTube video]

Christa627 (Показать профиль) 22 апреля 2016 г., 5:38:36

erinja:I think "du du du" is fine, no one would ever mistake it for "two" in the context.

I've heard of plenty songs using "nai nai nai" as the nonsense syllable, without worrying that it sounds just like the word "nigh", or "dum dum dum" without worrying that it conflates with "dumb" ridulo.gif
Once I translated "Deck the Halls" into toki pona, and someone objected to my using "la" as a nonsense syllable, since it's a tp syntactic word. But I'm like, no real person is going to try to parse "a la la la la" as anything grammatical! I don't think anyone else was worried about it, though.

Sorry I'm a bit off-topic; that's just what came to mind...

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