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Alkanadi (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 7 ივნისი, 2016 19:45:07
However, the Lernu website seems to operate more like a republic than a democracy. Why is that?
nornen (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 7 ივნისი, 2016 20:33:09
lagtendisto (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 7 ივნისი, 2016 20:44:14
Don't expect being Lernu.net something like LiquidFeedback.
vejktoro (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 7 ივნისი, 2016 20:49:27
Alkanadi:One of the principles of the Prague Manifesto, which is an Esperanto initiative, is democracy.Republics are democratic so I don't understand what you mean. The answer, however probably has something to do with the fact that Lernu is not Esperanto; it's not owned by Esperanto; I would guess it has it's own administrators or proprietors and constitution or manifesto or book of guidelines or rules or...
However, the Lernu website seems to operate more like a republic than a democracy. Why is that?
They can do what they want. They could poll the users I suppose as to if we would like to see this or that proposal - but as far as a republic?
Would there be ballots? Elected officials? Legislature? Parliament? Users rights? Taxes?
Vestitor (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 7 ივნისი, 2016 21:08:22
"Boo hoo, why did the thread I derailed get deleted?"
It always sounds more elevated when wrapped in pseudo-politics.
Sfinkso (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 7 ივნისი, 2016 21:48:58
You are, however, always able to exercise your freedom not to use this site.
Alkanadi (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 8 ივნისი, 2016 07:46:36
nornen:Could you define the terms "democracy" and "republic" in the context of your statement?Democracy - Some type of decision making by the users.
Republic - Similar to a dictatorship but you have more than one dictator.
In context, the chat feature was deleted from the Lernu site without consulting the users. There wasn't even an update to tell people what had happened. People discovered this on their own.
Also, the Lernu leadership is not elected by the users.
I was just thinking that this is against the Prague Manifesto.
Alkanadi (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 8 ივნისი, 2016 07:52:08
vejktoro:Would there be ballots? Elected officials? Legislature? Parliament? Users rights? Taxes?How about online polls and voting for registered members?
If Esperanto is democratic then how come users aren't involved in the decision making?
Bemused (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 8 ივნისი, 2016 08:42:36
Alkanadi:You might want to revise your definition of "Republic". According to dictionary.com it means "a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them."nornen:Could you define the terms "democracy" and "republic" in the context of your statement?Democracy - Some type of decision making by the users.
Republic - Similar to a dictatorship but you have more than one dictator.
In context, the chat feature was deleted from the Lernu site without consulting the users. There wasn't even an update to tell people what had happened. People discovered this on their own.
Also, the Lernu leadership is not elected by the users.
I was just thinking that this is against the Prague Manifesto.
The same source defines "Democracy" as "government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
Compare this to the definition of "Dictatorship", "a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator. "
In any event the point is moot when applied to Lernu. Lernu is not synonymous with Esperanto. Esperanto is a language. It is "owned" by the speakers of the language. Lernu is a website dedicated to assisting people learn the language. It is owned by a charitable institution, and run by administrators appointed by the institution. The administrators are not responsible to the desires of the users, they are resposible to the board of Lernu.
Alkanadi (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 8 ივნისი, 2016 09:34:37
Bemused:It is owned by a charitable institution, and run by administrators appointed by the institution.Didn't this institution sign on to the Prague Manifesto? Shouldn't there actions be in accordance with the principles thereof?
Appointing people is not democratic.
It is similar to other ideological organizations. They say one thing and do another. They want their rules to apply to the masses, yet they themselves will not follow them. Kind of like how certain environmentalists live in mansions that use the same amount of electricity as 50 regular house.