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ludomastro (프로필 보기) 2016년 6월 19일 오후 1:43:07
Alkanadi:Why do some people get stuck as eternal beginners?I can't speak to everyone's reasons. My first foray into Esperanto ended at the beginner level because I had no one to practice with. As a married man - and being a little older than the target audience for Pasporta Servo - I didn't see how to use Esperanto in travel. Thus I had little incentive to practice. Thus, the downward spiral continued.
I imagine that for most folks it's a combination of lack of support and the fact that most of us will try something only to give up once there's the normal resistance of actually doing the thing. Taking up archery is easy. Getting good at it? Not so much.
That's my two cents, any way.
johmue (프로필 보기) 2016년 6월 20일 오전 6:51:51
Alkanadi:Why do some people get stuck as eternal beginners?I know people who are doing Esperanto only to have some kind of mental gymnastics. They have no intention to get fluent and to use Esperanto in real life. And that's ok.
There are very few, who for some reason show up regularly on Esperanto events and expect everyone there to speak their language with them. They are annoying but it's so few of them, that they are ignorable.
Alkanadi (프로필 보기) 2016년 6월 20일 오전 8:30:15
johmue:There are very few, who for some reason show up regularly on Esperanto events and expect everyone there to speak their language with them.Interesting. Maybe, they just like the concept of a universal language but don't want to learn it.
erinja (프로필 보기) 2016년 6월 20일 오후 1:56:54
It's especially true for languages, where a minimal level can get you a certain distance but progressing beyond that minimal level takes time and effort. I have met a lot of eternal beginners for a lot of languages, and I'd probably consider myself an eternal beginner for at least two languages that I speak to some minimal degree.
Alkanadi (프로필 보기) 2016년 6월 21일 오전 8:18:40
erinja:It's especially true for languages, where a minimal level can get you a certain distance but progressing beyond that minimal level takes time and effort.So you would put the onus on the learner?
I had a feeling that most people would take this position. I definitely put some onus on the learner as well. However, I am more likely to blame the learning tools than the learner.
I was getting so bored with Esperanto until Duolingo came along. However, Duolingo is only a drop in the ocean compared to what is possible.
Vestitor (프로필 보기) 2016년 6월 21일 오전 10:22:54
The argument that the tools can be improved has been going on for ages. It has some truth in it too because materials like audio recordings and video have certainly helped. However there are also people who have everything on offer and still only make slow progress. There is also the capacity of the learner to consider. Even with something as relatively simple as Esperanto there will be variable results for different people.
I've met many people who want to learn something and they buy all the books and even sign up for classes, but it doesn't always work. The instruction can't always be faulted because other people in the classes have succeeded and progressed.
You can lead a horse to water...