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hiyayaywhopee (显示个人资料) 2008年6月21日下午5:25:05
http://www.facebook.com/translations/
richardhall (显示个人资料) 2008年6月21日下午11:01:10
hiyayaywhopee:Hrm. I'm using Firefox 3 and I have no problem with it. Might want to bring that up at the forum for discussing the application.I might just do that. I'm running Firefox 3 on an Intel-based iMac
Later edit: Strangely, the translation application now seems to be working. half an hour ago it wasn't showing in Firefox, but was there in Safari. Whatever the problem was seems to have resolved.
hiyayaywhopee (显示个人资料) 2008年6月24日上午12:08:14
andrew.longhofer:Yeah, the direct democracy of it is pretty amazing. It allows the majority of users to decide the best route for the translation to follow and allows collective fluency to shape the way this translation process works.I don't know who you're talking about over there... I'm perfectly frank about how awful I am. =P I've been stuck as a beginner for a bit too long and it's starting to frustrate me.
I can't decide, however, if it is a good thing for the Esperanto translation. There is such a volume of zealous but as-of-yet unskilled komencantoj who are eager to contribute but don't have sufficient vocabulary or handle on the grammar.
I'm not saying I've only produced perfect translations, only that I've noticed a potential weakness: Esperanto has a vast number of people who get excited and study nonstop for a couple of days, pronounce themselves "fluent esperantists," and move on without any further study, and putting into practice frankly incorrect and inappropriate usage. The number who become truely fluent is incredibly small, compared. I aim to be in the second group, but find myself rather more occasionally than I would like in the first.
However, I don't think it'll be much of a problem because the number of votes needed to achieve "consensus" is quite large - blatantly obvious translations like "konto" or "amiko" haven't been frozen and moved off the list yet. I'm more worried about the Esperanto translation never being able to continue because the number of translators isn't meeting that threshold. Newbies such as I will be able to contribute and maybe learn a thing or two without getting in the way too much, I think.
erinja (显示个人资料) 2008年6月24日上午11:59:24
hiyayaywhopee:I've been stuck as a beginner for a bit too long and it's starting to frustrate me.In my opinion, the solution to this problem is to get yourself into an Esperanto-only environment, where you are forced to "live" in Esperanto for a while. It does wonders for your ability. I think it is extremely hard to achieve fluency through internet/writing alone. Even with Skype and other voice chat programs, there's no substitute for living and breathing Esperanto for a while.
When I was learning, my ability hit a certain threshold of "pretty good", where I could read pretty well, write decently well, and speak ok. But I didn't become truly fluent until I had spent several periods of time in Esperanto-only settings. It also does a lot for rejuvenating your interest in the language. "Oh my gosh these people are so cool! And I can talk to them! With our common language Esperanto!" etc
davidwelsh (显示个人资料) 2008年6月25日下午12:37:47
But generally, I think the flexibility of our language means that there are lots of perfectly adequate, correct solutions to any particular problem (reen vs. malantaŭiri for example) and it's more a matter of collective taste what we go for. The obviously incorrect translations seem to have got voted down quite heavily.
