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Why Esperanto won’t diverge into dialects

ya rapn21, 6 Mei 2019

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Zam_franca (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 22 Juni 2019 4:36:33 alasiri

Mi pensas ke vi pravas, neniu devas krokodili en la angla ĉi tie
(korektita 5 monatoj post)

Droody (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 24 Juni 2019 7:57:59 alasiri

In my opinion, Esperanto is a somewhat flexible, dynamic language.
You do get a few instances where several wordings and such could be used.

Take that with a grain of salt though, I'm a newcomer who knows barely a lick of Esperanto!

Metsis (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 25 Juni 2019 7:48:04 asubuhi

Droody:In my opinion, Esperanto is a somewhat flexible, dynamic language.
You do get a few instances where several wordings and such could be used.
This is a double-edged sword. It is true, that you can relatively easily come up words in case you don't know the exact ones. This helps to get your message through in everyday situations. Perhaps this easiness among other things has caused certain vagueness in scientific texts, I don't know. I have found it hard to find good, new writings in E-o, when it comes to computer science (yes, I'm familiar with STEB).

I see a certain parallelism in, that e.g. articles in Monato are quite often written in a style, where the need to excessively play with words, tweaking and twisting them has superseded any reasonable requirements of clarity.

Miono (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 6 Julai 2019 12:24:13 asubuhi

Maybe I'm wrong, but I sometimes think Ido could be a sort of dialect, depending on how one defines dialect.

Can a language be a dialect of another, even if the diverge was caused artificially? I'm not sure.
That's rather a philosophical idea, perhaps.

BillyShears (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 7 Julai 2019 12:35:16 alasiri

Miono:Maybe I'm wrong, but I sometimes think Ido could be a sort of dialect, depending on how one defines dialect.

Can a language be a dialect of another, even if the diverge was caused artificially? I'm not sure.
That's rather a philosophical idea, perhaps.
As long as Esperanto is considered a language, you would be correct. A dialect can be a dialect even if it is caused artificially.

BillyShears (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 7 Julai 2019 12:36:10 alasiri

Should we then permit the creation of dialects in Esperanto, and hold a standard, international Esperanto as English already does?

Zam_franca (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 7 Julai 2019 1:44:05 alasiri

BillyShears:Should we then permit the creation of dialects in Esperanto, and hold a standard, international Esperanto as English already does?
Why we sould do this ? I am sorry but this is nonsense !

Kial ni devus fari tion ? Mi bedaŭras sed estas sensencaĵo !

walfino (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 10 Julai 2019 1:59:55 alasiri

BillyShears:Should we then permit the creation of dialects in Esperanto, and hold a standard, international Esperanto as English already does?
But there are already some dialects. Ri-ismo, Esperant' etc. come to mind (even if Esperant' seems somewhat artificial). And we already have a standard international Esperanto defined by the fundamento.

However to me beginner standard Esperanto sometimes feels like a different dialect from experienced standard Esperanto (which usually has a much higher proportion of adverbs, and adjectives used as verbs, for example).

Zam_franca (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 10 Julai 2019 3:46:00 alasiri

I do not believe that many esperantists speak " R-ismo " or " Esperant' ". With esperanto we understand each other. And in all languages, a begginer does not speak as a native. Almost nobody knows those "dialects". We already have a good language for communication, we have no reasons to create another one.

Mi ne kredas ke multaj esperantistoj parolas " R-ismon " aŭ " Esperant' ". Kun esperanto ni lomprenas unu la alian. En ĉiujn lingvojn, komencanto ne parolas same kiel denaska parolanto. Preskaŭ neniu konas ĉi tiujn "dialektojn". Ni jam havas bonan lingvon por komuniko, ni ne havas kaŭzojn por krei alian.

Zam_franca (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 10 Julai 2019 3:56:47 alasiri

Ni devas protekti esperanton. Se iuj parolas "R-ismon" aŭ "Esperant", li simple ne parolas esperanton. Esperanto ne estas perfekta, sed hodiaŭ ĝi la plej bona solvo. Kontraŭ la "dialektoj", eble ni devus ignori ilin.

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