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A tip o' the hat.

Wilhelm :lta, 19. heinäkuuta 2008

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Kieli: English

Wilhelm (Näytä profiilli) 19. heinäkuuta 2008 23.14.50

How would one express in esperanto the tipping of ones hat as a greeting.
As in,

"He tips his hat and says, "Hello", when he sees his friends."

Thanks.

mnlg (Näytä profiilli) 19. heinäkuuta 2008 23.37.28

I don't think there is a word for it. I would go with ĉapelumo or ĉapelsaluto. However if I had to translate your example, I would perhaps say Li riverencas kaj salutas kiam li renkontas [siajn] amikojn.

alexbeard (Näytä profiilli) 20. heinäkuuta 2008 2.15.16

you could litarally translate it, i mean it seems like it would work because he is tipping his hat

jan aleksan (Näytä profiilli) 22. heinäkuuta 2008 8.27.57

Why not: frapeti which means to tap, to pat.

By the way, is "to tip" an official word also for "to tap"? I didn't find that meaning in my dictionnary.

If it is, it's amazing to see the use of "t" and "p" for 3 differents words that have the same meaning.

Note: in french: tapoter ridulo.gif

erinja (Näytä profiilli) 22. heinäkuuta 2008 12.54.20

jan aleksan:Why not: frapeti which means to tap, to pat.

By the way, is "to tip" an official word also for "to tap"? I didn't find that meaning in my dictionnary.
No, tip and tap are two completely different words.

I would literally translate "tip" as "klini", or perhaps "klineti"

Tap would be "frapeti".

As for a translation of tipping your hat, ::EDIT - used wrong names before:: I agree with AlexBeard that you could go for a literal translation, or else go with mnlg's suggestion of "riverenci". Another option is to say "tuŝi", since touching your hat (rather than tipping it) is another way to express respect.

Ironchef (Näytä profiilli) 22. heinäkuuta 2008 14.40.46

Thanks ridulo.gif
These idiomatic translations are what learning languages is all about. I am finding every day that what we say in English is not said the same way the world over. I recently found out that people in Hungary go yellow with envy, whereas people in English-speaking places, go green with envy (thanks Gordy), as an example. It's what makes language rich and colorful (literally). Recently Esperanto was criticized on the BBC for being "cultureless". This proves that it's not the case. We're creating the culture as we use the language.

erinja:
jan aleksan:Why not: frapeti which means to tap, to pat.

By the way, is "to tip" an official word also for "to tap"? I didn't find that meaning in my dictionnary.
No, tip and tap are two completely different words.

I would literally translate "tip" as "klini", or perhaps "klineti"

Tap would be "frapeti".

As for a translation of tipping your hat, I agree with mnlg that you could go for a literal translation. Another option is to say "tuŝi", since touching your hat (rather than tipping it) is another way to express respect.

erinja (Näytä profiilli) 22. heinäkuuta 2008 16.27.40

I'm going to expound a little more on my previous comment, based on a side conversation I had on this topic. I think it might be useful advice for any beginners getting involved in translations of literature, which are quite different from personal correspondence or translations of websites and such.

It is important to ensure that your reader understands the meaning of the text, even if the reader doesn't have the cultural background to understand everything. For example, tipping or touching your hat to express respect is something that exists in some cultures but not others. To me, Esperanto translations can have two purposes. One, to translate a culture's literature so that others may read and understand it. Two, to translate a *culture*. so that people living in another culture can get a better understanding of how others live.

In my opinion, the best Esperanto translations keep both of these things in mind. You want to translate the *meaning* of a phrase, the meaning of an action, etc, rather than just the words, to tell the reader what is happening. In some cultures, for example, it is extremely insulting to show someone the soles of your shoes, or the bottoms of your feet. So if you had a text saying that was literally translated as "A showed B the soles of his feet", a reader outside of these cultures might not understand the implications of that. You could say "A insulted B" (the *meaning* of the action), but then the reader misses out on the cultural tidbit that showing the soles of your feet is insulting. To me, the best translation (whenever possible) is to mix both meanings. It doesn't have to be so didactic as "A insulted B by showing him the soles of his feet". But it could be worked into the text. "A showed B the soles of his feet, with a sneer of disrespect on his face". Obviously this would depend a lot on context, but I think that in most cases, if you don't feel constrained to translate word for word (and in most cases, you *shouldn't* feel constrained like that), you can work in both the literal meaning and an explanation of the cultural meaning.

mnlg (Näytä profiilli) 22. heinäkuuta 2008 16.35.09

I shall just add to erinja's post that, in the matter of cross-culture references in translation, I found the solution of sidenotes very effective. You can translate either the description of the gesture, or the meaning of the gesture, and link to a footnote with a more detailed explanation, without compromising the flow of the narration.

My personal preference is to keep to the meaning, since the whole idea of Esperanto is to go beyond our differences and to facilitate communication and all that okulumo.gif unless the gesture itself deserves the center of the stage for some reason, in which case it is of course wise to concentrate your translation efforts on that.

Wilhelm (Näytä profiilli) 22. heinäkuuta 2008 18.10.57

I would like thank everyone for their help and am thus forever indebted.

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