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Rolling R
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Ubutumwa 34
ururimi: English
byronarnold (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 16 Nyandagaro 2008 19:11:51
RiotNrrd (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 16 Nyandagaro 2008 20:06:15
I believe Zamenhof was rather forgiving in this regard, however, so I wouldn't sweat it.
Hispanio (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 16 Nyandagaro 2008 20:49:19
This is not a problem.
And excuse me if I intruded in the forum.
hiyayaywhopee (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 16 Nyandagaro 2008 21:44:07
Hispanio:Although I'm not belong to this forum, I wanna say that I think people pronounce R as they want. I saw a video in Youtube and I heard the sound, sometimes rolling, sometimes not.Don't be ridiculous... the only requirement in this forum is that you speak English. =P
This is not a problem.
And excuse me if I intruded in the forum.
Karedio (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 17 Nyandagaro 2008 00:47:34
andrew.longhofer:Actually, my understanding is that Don HARLOW was incapable of the rolled R, but didn't like to use the standard US-EN r... so he opted for the French/German gutteral R, which sounds like a softened, voiced "ĥ." If such an eminentulo was cool with using a "non-standard" pronunciation, anyone should be fine with it. I'll post a link to the place I read that, If I can find it...I doubt that anyone wrote that about Don Harlow. I myself have spoken with him and don't remember hearing a gutteral R. In fact a very pronounced rolled R. Here is a page of MP3 files with his voice.
http://www.esperanto.org/literaturo/mp3/
Sebasities (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 17 Nyandagaro 2008 01:30:37
byronarnold:I suppose there a many English speakers who have the problem with the rolling r. Anyways, any suggestions in making it? Any help would be much appreciated!I don't know if this will help you, but I hope that it will be useful.
French is my mother tongue and it's easy for my to roll my R an to explain what happens when I pronounce it.
When I pronounce an english R, my tongue touches the upper molars each side of the mouth and doesn't touch the front teeth ("incisives", in french). And the sound vibration is at the bottom of the throat, in the neck.
But when I pronounce a rolled R, my tongue is almost sticked at the bottom of the mouth and touches the lower front teeth ("incisives"). And the sound vibration is done by the uvula. With the french R, the uvula vibrates only once. With the slavish R (as in esperanto, I think), the uvula vibrate thrice or more.
Senlando (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 17 Nyandagaro 2008 01:32:25
leper (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 17 Nyandagaro 2008 05:07:16
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My way of explaining it is that you try to set up an oscillation in your tongue - begin by opening your mouth about 1/3 and placing the tip of your tongue on the roof of your mouth.
The next thing I say is "forget the 'rrr' sound!" many people concentrate too hard on making the 'R' and not on trying to get the oscillation.
So try that, and just breathe out through your mouth. Try adjusting the position of the tip of your tongue on the mouth roof, as well as the pressure with which you press it up there - especially important to try relaaaxing. After a while, you'll get there!!!
Oŝo-Jabe (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 18 Nyandagaro 2008 22:35:29
BeRReGoN (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 19 Nyandagaro 2008 06:39:33
Just say: lo no ro
and after some tries you will probably succeed to do a rolled R.
Myself i never been good with it and it's not natural yet. In fact when i was young i was almost not prononcing the r letter.
Now i can get a rolled r when it's at the beginning of a sound like rugxa or trinki, deziri but i can't roll it when it's at the end like in porti.