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Help with an Esperanto translation.

av ceigered, 7 september 2008

Meddelanden: 15

Språk: English

ceigered (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 09:54:15

Saluton, can someone here please check my Esperanto translation to see if it is correct? I will put down the English version as well so you can check it out.

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Mia nomo estas Christian, kaj mi estas de la lando Auxstralio. Mi estas nova esperantisto, sed mi avas la lingvon internacian (unu de multaj nomoj por 'Esperanto').

La fakto ke tio cxi lingvo estas libera de landimoj kaj limigoj estas tre bona. Mi sxatas tio cxi aferoj ke estas libera, pricipe Esperanto, Linuksa kaj aliaj liberaj softvaroj.

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My name is Christian, and I am from Australia. I am a new esperantist, but I love the International Language (one of many names for 'Esperanto').

The fact that this language is free of borders and limitations is very good. I like these things that are free, especially Esperanto, Linux and other free software.

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Any help or recommendations appreciated, and sorry if I put this post in the wrong place ridulo.gif.

Hispanio (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 11:04:08

ceigered:Saluton, can someone here please check my Esperanto translation to see if it is correct? I will put down the English version as well so you can check it out.

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Mia nomo estas Christian, kaj mi estas de la lando Auxstralio. Mi estas nova esperantisto, sed mi avas la lingvon internacian (unu de multaj nomoj por 'Esperanto').

La fakto ke tio cxi lingvo estas libera de landimoj kaj limigoj estas tre bona. Mi sxatas tio cxi aferoj ke estas libera, pricipe Esperanto, Linuksa kaj aliaj liberaj softvaroj.

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My name is Christian, and I am from Australia. I am a new esperantist, but I love the International Language (one of many names for 'Esperanto').

The fact that this language is free of borders and limitations is very good. I like these things that are free, especially Esperanto, Linux and other free software.

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Any help or recommendations appreciated, and sorry if I put this post in the wrong place ridulo.gif.
Correction:
Mia nomo estas Christian, kaj mi estas el Aŭstralio. Mi estas nova esperantisto, sed mi amas la internacian lingvon (unu el multaj nomoj por "esperanto").

La fakto ke tiu ĉi lingvo estas libera de landlimoj kaj limigoj estas tre bona. Min ŝatas (or Al mi plaĉas) tiuj ĉi aferoj, kiuj estas liberaj, precipe Esperanto, Linukso kaj aliaj liberaj softvaroj.

If I made mistakes, please correct me.

Miland (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 11:11:48

ceigered:Saluton, can someone here please check my Esperanto translation to see if it is correct? I will put down the English version as well so you can check it out...
My suggested corrections are in square brackets []. For a 'new Esperantist', I think you have done very well! You seem to be making very good progress. Keep it up.

Mia nomo estas Christian, kaj mi estas de la lando Auxstralio. Mi estas nova esperantisto, sed mi avas [amas] la lingvon internacian (unu de multaj nomoj por 'Esperanto').

La fakto ke tio cxi lingvo estas libera de landimoj kaj limigoj estas tre bona. Mi sxatas tio [tiuj] cxi aferoj ke [kiuj] estasliberaj [senpagaj], pricipe [prb]e[/b]cipe] Esperanto, Linuksa kaj aliaj liberaj [senpagaj] softvaroj.

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My name is Christian, and I am from Australia. I am a new esperantist, but I love the International Language (one of many names for 'Esperanto').

The fact that this language is free of borders and limitations is very good. I like these things that are free, especially Esperanto, Linux and other free software.

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Any help or recommendations appreciated, and sorry if I put this post in the wrong place ridulo.gif.[/quote]

Frankouche (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 11:23:32

Mi ŝatas tio ĉi aferoj ke [kiuj] estasliberaj [senpagaj], pricipe [precipe] Esperanto
Ho ho, ĉu vi imagus pagajn lingvojn rideto.gif rideto.gif ?

Taciturn_ (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 12:11:23

Miland:Mi sxatas tio cxi aferoj ke [kiuj] estasliberaj [senpagaj], pricipe [precipe] Esperanto, Linuksa kaj aliaj liberaj [senpagaj] softvaroj.
Mi ŝatas tiujn aferojn, kiuj estas liberaj kaj senpagaj: precipe - Esperanto,Linukso kaj aliaj similaj softvaroj.

In my opinion here the word "free" has got both its meanings quite valid, that can be explained only with two words in Esperanto.
Also take note that "Tiu",which somehow happened to be introduced for usage instead of "tio" in front of nouns, is obviously marked as definite ( tio + la = tiu ),so there is no use to add "ĉi".

Miland (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 13:30:14

Taciturn:
Yes, I missed the use of tio which should have been tiuj. As you say, we could have just tiuj or even omit it altogether. I've edited my message accordingly.

ceigered (Visa profilen) 7 september 2008 23:59:07

I noticed that I made quite a few spelling errors there.
May I ask, how do you use 'kiuj', does that double as 'that' in the form of a conjunction, and if so what is 'ke' used for?
And is it 'tiuj cxi' or just 'tiuj'?

Dankon ridulo.gif

@ Frankouche: Ha, jes, estus tre malfacila lerni lingvojn ridulo.gif

Miland (Visa profilen) 8 september 2008 07:20:29

ceigered:.. how do you use 'kiuj', does that double as 'that' in the form of a conjunction, and if so what is 'ke' used for?
And is it 'tiuj ĉi' or just 'tiuj'?
Kiuj means 'who' or 'which' (plural), when the things or people are definitely known. So you could have 'the people who stay in the city' = 'the people that stay in the city' = la homoj kiuj loĝas en la urbo.

Ke is a conjunction, meaning that when used in expressions like 'It is true that we are late' = Estas vere, ke ni estas malfruaj.

But note that ke is never used to stand for a person, as 'that' can be, in English.

You will find a good discussion on pages 150-151 of Teach yourself Esperanto.

mnlg (Visa profilen) 8 september 2008 08:06:08

ceigered:and if so what is 'ke' used for?
"ke" introduces a whole sentence that works as a subject or an object.

Mi kredas vin.
I believe you.

The object is 'vin'.

Mi kredas ke vi ne ŝtelis.
I believe that you didn't steal.

The object is 'you didn't steal'. It is a whole sentence and therefore it must be introduced with 'ke'. English uses 'that' for that function.

Basing on my (supposedly imperfect) knowledge of English, I think I can say, that whenever you can substitute 'that' with 'which' or 'who', you can be sure that it's not "ke". But perhaps native speakers can correct me on this.
And is it 'tiuj cxi' or just 'tiuj'?
"tiuj ĉi" = these, these ones
"tiuj" = those, those ones.

ceigered (Visa profilen) 8 september 2008 10:48:07

mnlg:
ceigered:and if so what is 'ke' used for?
"ke" introduces a whole sentence that works as a subject or an object.

Mi kredas vin.
I believe you.

The object is 'vin'.

Mi kredas ke vi ne ŝtelis.
I believe that you didn't steal.

The object is 'you didn't steal'. It is a whole sentence and therefore it must be introduced with 'ke'. English uses 'that' for that function.

Basing on my (supposedly imperfect) knowledge of English, I think I can say, that whenever you can substitute 'that' with 'which' or 'who', you can be sure that it's not "ke". But perhaps native speakers can correct me on this.
And is it 'tiuj cxi' or just 'tiuj'?
"tiuj ĉi" = these, these ones
"tiuj" = those, those ones.
Aaa, dankon mnlg, mi komprenas vin ridulo.gif

So I need to use 'kiuj' whenever I can could also use 'which', e.g. 'The things WHICH/THAT are free', and I use 'ke' like I would use whenever 'which' won't work, such as 'I know which you are smart' (this just sounds clumsy, jes? lango.gif)

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