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scii vs. scipovi

من jawq81, 13 أكتوبر، 2008

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jawq81 (عرض الملف الشخصي) 13 أكتوبر، 2008 9:09:35 م

I find the use of the verbs 'scii' and 'scipovi' confusing. Scii has the meaning "to know, to know how". Scipovi also has the meaning of "to know how". Take the sentence "Mi ne sciis, ke vi scipovas veturigi!", which is taken from David Richardson's Esperanto, lesson 6. Is there a shade of meaning here that I am not grasping, or is 'scipovas' used simply to avoid reusing the verb 'scii'? Thanks in advance for the help.

awake (عرض الملف الشخصي) 13 أكتوبر، 2008 11:45:08 م

jawq81:I find the use of the verbs 'scii' and 'scipovi' confusing. Scii has the meaning "to know, to know how". Scipovi also has the meaning of "to know how". Take the sentence "Mi ne sciis, ke vi scipovas veturigi!", which is taken from David Richardson's Esperanto, lesson 6. Is there a shade of meaning here that I am not grasping, or is 'scipovas' used simply to avoid reusing the verb 'scii'? Thanks in advance for the help.
I think the distinction is that scii refers to knowing facts whereas scipovi refers to having (knowing) skills.

jawq81 (عرض الملف الشخصي) 14 أكتوبر، 2008 1:09:02 ص

Aah, OK. I didn't make that association. Scipovi doesn't seem to be all that common, but the next time I see the word used, I will keep this usage in mind. Thank you, Awake, for your response.

galvis (عرض الملف الشخصي) 14 أكتوبر، 2008 6:10:13 م

---I always thought that scipovi, had the meaning of curiosity, curiousness.

To have curiosity about anything, about knowledge.

Mi scipovas pri kutimoj de tiu lando.
Mi scipovas pri maniero iri tian lokon.

--gxis--

Matthieu (عرض الملف الشخصي) 14 أكتوبر، 2008 6:45:22 م

I think you confused scipovi and scivoli.

trojo (عرض الملف الشخصي) 14 أكتوبر، 2008 7:19:18 م

I can't think of a circumstance off-hand where it would be preferable to use "scii" to mean "to know how". I pretty much always use "scipovi" for "to know how" and "scii" for "to know [some factual knowledge]".

tommjames (عرض الملف الشخصي) 15 أكتوبر، 2008 1:51:16 م

trojo:I can't think of a circumstance off-hand where it would be preferable to use "scii" to mean "to know how". I pretty much always use "scipovi" for "to know how" and "scii" for "to know [some factual knowledge]".
I can't think of any where it would be preferable either. I can think of some where it would be possible though, where knowledge about how to do something is implied through the context of the thing you know, for example

"Mi scias Esperanton"

..would imply knowledge about -how- to speak esperanto, since this is what knowing a language essentially entails. Beyond this kind of context though, I can't think of why you'd want to use "scii" to mean "to know how".

jawq81 (عرض الملف الشخصي) 15 أكتوبر، 2008 5:27:11 م

I'm not trying to nitpick, but could you say something like "Cxiuj bezonas scii legi.", which hopefully means "Everyone needs to know how to read."?

tommjames (عرض الملف الشخصي) 15 أكتوبر، 2008 8:11:19 م

jawq81:I'm not trying to nitpick, but could you say something like "Cxiuj bezonas scii legi.", which hopefully means "Everyone needs to know how to read."?
Personally I wouldn't translate it that way. If anything I'd take it to be a mistaken way of saying "Ĉiuj bezonas scii por legi" or perhaps "Ĉiuj bezonas scii ke ili devas legi" If you wanted to use 'scii' to say something about knowing how to do something, you might say "Ĉiuj bezonas scii kiel legi" but there's no point doing that when we have the verb 'scipovi' to hand.

The thing to remember is that knowing -how- to do something is a specific type of knowledge, therefore we have a separate verb for it. 'Scii' means to know in general.

galvis (عرض الملف الشخصي) 15 أكتوبر، 2008 11:27:04 م

I think you confused scipovi and scivoli.
Right you are ¡
Dankon.

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