Use of ĉe
od PrimeMinisterK, 22. marca 2022
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Jazyk: English
PrimeMinisterK (Zobraziť profil) 22. marca 2022 1:58:48
When I look it up in the dictionary I get "at, beside, by, with." Furthermore, when reading Nakamura, we encounter the phrase, "Filipo sentas fortan premon ĉe la brusto" when Lernu itself translates as, "Phillip feels a strong pressure on his chest," so I guess "on" then is an additional possible translation.
"At" and "beside" I see could be related. But "by" seems totally different." And I don't see how the same word could also mean "with."
Could someone provide the various meanings of "ĉe" with some examples?
Metsis (Zobraziť profil) 22. marca 2022 8:54:43
❞A very close position (touching or not touching). The meaning of ĉe varies according to the context. Often ĉe simple denotes a general location without a precise indication as to its position.❞
or
❞Extreme temporal proximity.❞
Lernu gives respective examples
- Ĉe la angulo de la strato ŝi haltis.
- Ĉe la komenco de la tagiĝo la arbaro aperis bele kovrita de prujno.
For further examples see PIV.
PrimeMinisterK (Zobraziť profil) 25. marca 2022 7:07:59
It looks like ĉe is one of those where you probably need to look up a number of examples and just have its used drilled into your brain via repeated exposure.
From the Lernu article you referenced it sounds like it reference both literal physical proximity and, I'm not sure what to call it, time proximity? (e.g. Ĉe la komenco de la tagiĝo la arbaro aperis bele kovrita de prujno.)