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pastorant (Prikaži profil) 10. november 2006 14:16:23
Mi supozas, ke ĝi estas.
My Joke of the day said that something cost 2 lidos. Is a Lido a fake currency? I'm assuming that it is
pastorant (Prikaži profil) 10. november 2006 20:02:27
waxle:You're right. I chose falsa, but I wasn't actually sure if it was a real Esperanto word, so I put malvera in parentheses without thinking. Thanks for the correction.pastorant:falsa (malvera)Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't "malreala" be a better word? "Un-real" as opposed to "Un-true"?
And to directly answer the question, I've never heard of it, and it's not in my encyclopaedia set's list of world currencies...
T0dd (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 02:44:42
pastorant (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 03:37:32
T0dd:Actually,"falsa" is the right word for talking about false, in the sense of counterfeit or artificial, things, such as false money, false teeth, etc. "Malreala" would mean "unreal" or illusory. "Falsa" is also sometimes used for "untrue", as applied to statements, sentences, propositions, etc. But I believe "malvera" is actually preferable for that. After all, a false sentence is still truly a sentence, whereas a false fruit is not truly a fruit.Mi konfirmis kun RETA, kaj falsa efektive estas vorto. Sed mi kutime preferas indiĝenajn Esperantajn vortojn, do malvera estus la preferinda elekto, ĉu ne?
I checked RETA, falsa is in fact a word.
But I usually prefer "native" Esperanto words, so malvera probably would be the preferable choice.
Jev (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 09:17:59
pastorant:Mia ŝerco de la tago diris, ke io kostis du lidojn. Ĉu lido estas falsa (malvera) mono?http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lido
Mi supozas, ke ĝi estas.
My Joke of the day said that something cost 2 lidos. Is a Lido a fake currency? I'm assuming that it is
pastorant (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 10:57:13
Jev:Mi estas dupo kaj kreteno! Mi ne serĉis la Vikipedion! Tamen, ĉu ne uzas la eŭron Latvujo?
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lido
Jasminka (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 17:44:05
RiotNrrd (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 17:47:36
pastorant:I checked RETA, falsa is in fact a word.I think that there is a subtle difference in meaning between falsa and malvera, which could be illustrated by the fact that as a language, eo itself is both "vera kaj falsa" (i.e., is a true language, but is also a product of artifice). Whereas it doesn't make sense to say that it is "vera kaj malvera" (i.e., both a true language and not a true language).
But I usually prefer "native" Esperanto words, so malvera probably would be the preferable choice.
What is a "native" eo word? Eo is a language derived from many different sources, such that it's hard to say that there are any native eo words in the sense of words that don't originate from somewhere else. "Falsa" is therefore just as native as "malvera".
Kwekubo (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 20:47:23
pastorant:Jev:Mi estas dupo kaj kreteno! Mi ne serĉis la Vikipedion! Tamen, ĉu ne uzas la eŭron Latvujo?
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lido
- The litas is the currency of Lithuania, not Latvia!
- Lithuania is one of the 10 new member states that joined the EU in 2004 - it's only the older EU member states (with the exception of the UK, Sweden and Denmark) that use the euro.
Kwekubo (Prikaži profil) 11. november 2006 21:18:27
RiotNrrd:I think that there is a subtle difference in meaning between falsa and malvera, which could be illustrated by the fact that as a language, eo itself is both "vera kaj falsa" (i.e., is a true language, but is also a product of artifice). Whereas it doesn't make sense to say that it is "vera kaj malvera" (i.e., both a true language and not a true language).You're on the right track, but falsa specifically means something that is falsified, or made with the intent of deceiving people, whereas malvera just means something that is not true/correct (ie not necessarily deceitful). For example, as the ReVo examples give, you could have "falsita lakto", such as a artificial milk substitute that looks and tastes like milk, but isn't. I certainly know some people who would take offence at calling Esperanto a "falsa lingvo"
RiotNrrd:What is a "native" eo word? Eo is a language derived from many different sources, such that it's hard to say that there are any native eo words in the sense of words that don't originate from somewhere else. "Falsa" is therefore just as native as "malvera".I think pastorant is referring to introducing new roots in everyday speech (ie outside of poetry, etc) when a perfectly suitable word made up from other roots already exists, eg using "trista" instead of "malgaja". That just doesn't make sense! In this case though there is a difference in meaning between "falsa" and "malvera".