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Pupeno (Mostra il profilo) 26 dicembre 2008 23:29:47
blueclay (Mostra il profilo) 27 dicembre 2008 00:08:43
Pupeno:Well, just that, how do you say "Happy birthday"?Feliĉan naskiĝtagon!!!
danielcg (Mostra il profilo) 27 dicembre 2008 02:50:43
Regards,
Daniel
blueclay:Pupeno:Well, just that, how do you say "Happy birthday"?Feliĉan naskiĝtagon!!!
Rohan (Mostra il profilo) 27 dicembre 2008 04:59:20
danielcg:It can also be said "Feliĉan naskotagon!", doing away with the -iĝ suffix, according to the principle of necessity and sufficiency.It seems a bit weird saying that. If I were to say to you, "Feliĉan naskotagon!", then, since 'naski' means 'to give birth', I would actually be congratulating you for that day when you gave birth!
So, to me, 'Feliĉan naskiĝtagon' sounds like something you'd say to the birthday boy/gal, while 'Feliĉan naskotagon' sounds more like something you'd say to a mother who's just given birth.
Of course, one could argue that the day someone is born, someone has to give birth as well, so the context should make things clear. I agree with that: the context will indeed make things clear. But I think that that is despite the illogicality, not because of it.
danielcg (Mostra il profilo) 27 dicembre 2008 21:29:37
Regards,
Daniel
Rohan:danielcg:It can also be said "Feliĉan naskotagon!", doing away with the -iĝ suffix, according to the principle of necessity and sufficiency.It seems a bit weird saying that. If I were to say to you, "Feliĉan naskotagon!", then, since 'naski' means 'to give birth', I would actually be congratulating you for that day when you gave birth!
So, to me, 'Feliĉan naskiĝtagon' sounds like something you'd say to the birthday boy/gal, while 'Feliĉan naskotagon' sounds more like something you'd say to a mother who's just given birth.
Of course, one could argue that the day someone is born, someone has to give birth as well, so the context should make things clear. I agree with that: the context will indeed make things clear. But I think that that is despite the illogicality, not because of it.
Sebasities (Mostra il profilo) 27 dicembre 2008 22:25:48
Filu (Mostra il profilo) 27 dicembre 2008 23:36:38
danielcg:Then why isn't it weird to say "Feliĉan Kristnaskon" anstataŭ "Feliĉan Kristnaskiĝon"?
En Vikipedio iu:La nasko aŭ la akuŝo de infano (el la vidpunkto de la infano: la naskiĝo) estas la procezo je la fino de la gravedeco, per kio la feto forlasas la uteron de la patrino.Well... It seems like if we are personnally wishing a happy birthday to the individual who is celebrating it, then "naskiĝo" would be preferable, but when it comes to "Kristnasko", the christians are celebrating for themselves the anniversary of the venue of (the) Christ. They are mostly happy that he came to this world and helped them see the light.
It seems to me that if Jesus was coming back as a human being and meet with people, they would wish him a "feliĉan naskiĝtagon", not a "feliĉan Kristnaskon". No?
danielcg (Mostra il profilo) 28 dicembre 2008 01:07:15
Strictly speaking, "naskiĝtago" means "la tago kiam vi naskiĝis" while "naskotago" means "la tago kiam via patrino naskis vin". It just happens, that both the former and the latter took place at the same time, so in my opinion both words come to mean the same.
Regards,
Daniel
Sebasities:Both "naskigxtago" kaj "naskotago" are in dictionaries.
Rohan (Mostra il profilo) 28 dicembre 2008 06:37:34
