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Saying "sc" and "ii"

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Français (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 4 23:09:13

erinja:It also helps that words like scii are usually in the context of other words.

"Scias" may seem hard to pronounce in isolation. But we seldom pronounce it in isolation; it is almost always preceded by a pronoun or the word ne.

If my sentence were "Mi parolas Esperanton", I don't add pauses; it isn't "Mi...parolas...Esperanton", but "Mi-pa-ro-la-se-spe-ran-ton"

So "Mi scias" is not usually pronounced disjointed like "mi ..... scias". It is more like "mis-cias" Mi ne scias - "Mi-nes-ci-as"

Similarly, lis-cias, sxis-cias, vis-cias, etc.
Wow, this is very true! And I never thought of that. Like if I try and say "n-g" by itself, it is impossible! But "i-n-g-" is easy! Or, something along those lines!

Certainly helps!

And, for some reason, I think my pronunciation of "sc" is getting better, even by itself. Sometimes I find myself really emphasizing like a "t" sound with the "c." Like "sTsee-en-tso"

jchthys (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 5 00:28:16

Yeah, English doesn't have the sound [ng] at the beginning of a word--but some languages do. I personally like the idea of [ng] being a full-fledged nasal just like [m] and [n].

Rogir (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 5 00:56:53

Great, now your next assignment is to pronounce 'master knowledge': estrscio. (just kidding, this would be with an -o- in between)

jchthys (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 8 00:12:51

How about postscii?

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 8 06:40:27

jchthys:How about postscii?
Please, I don't need nightmares...

erinja (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 8 16:07:31

It's easy to come up with hard-to-pronounce words in Esperanto, but everyone please remember that most Esperanto compound words include or leave out the central -o, whichever makes pronunciation easier, so those beginners out there, please don't feel that we have an endless list of hard to pronounce words.

Those of you interested in hard pronunciation may enjoy the story Knaĥoĥŝveŭpsceg, by David K. Jordan.

You can read it here:
http://weber.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/es/knah-u.html

jchthys (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 9 00:07:16

-- Try saying postscias with a lithp.

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2009 2 9 05:27:45

jchthys:-- Try saying postscias with a lithp.
Try saying postscias after you've bitten off your tongue trying to do that lango.gif

Interestingly, I've found that "Knaĥoĥŝveŭpsceg" isn't as hard as it looks (still difficult), because majority of the sounds are either back in the mouth (e.g. K, hx), labial, or fricatives. I think what gets hard is having multiple alveolar taps/stops and plosives put together, at least for inexperienced English speakers who tend not to think about 'exists' or "exists translatively"

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