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ceigered (Показать профиль) 16 февраля 2009 г., 5:47:05
ebeckhusen: "faucet".'Faucet'? I'm presuming this is what Americans call a tap (eo: Krano)? And I'm taking it that this is a French loanword?
RiotNrrd (Показать профиль) 16 февраля 2009 г., 6:21:01
I also presume it is from the French (although we pronounce the "t").
eikored85 (Показать профиль) 16 февраля 2009 г., 9:36:53
Rogir:When I hear Chinese like I did on the bus today (I wasn't sure it actually was Chinese), it actually makes me wonder how people can understand each other that way. Few other languages give me that feeling.Yeah, it takes time to get used to
One of the hardest things about tonal languages that have such extreme forms of isolating morphology is that many words can be pronounced with the same articulation, but with different tones, and the meanings can be completely different depending on tone.
For example, although I understand two Chinese languages, I still find Vietnamese (an unrelated language) fairly difficult, since oftentimes, meanings of a word are distinguished solely by tone.
eikored85 (Показать профиль) 16 февраля 2009 г., 9:38:11
RiotNrrd:In my part of the US we call it a "faucet". Although we call what comes out of it "tap-water". Go figure.We Californians also have that odd distinction between "faucet" and "tap water", though I don't think we use a hyphen in "tap water".
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ceigered (Показать профиль) 16 февраля 2009 г., 10:40:31
Senlando (Показать профиль) 16 февраля 2009 г., 18:05:45
ceigered:We Australians are just lazy and call it a 'tap' and 'tap water', 'tap-water' or 'tapwater', depending on the laziness levels in the atmosphere. But I'm sure that you got that since I needed to check for what 'faucet' meantI think i use "tap" more often then faucet, but i grew up around expatriate English speakers from all over. So i picked and choose which words i prefer and how to pronounce them.
When I hear Chinese like I did on the bus today (I wasn't sure it actually was Chinese), it actually makes me wonder how people can understand each other that way. Few other languages give me that feeling.I admire anyone who manages to learn a Chinese language during adult life. but like any other language, a native speaker finds it just as simple as any other language (not the written part though, that's exponentially harder then any other written system in the world). But when it comes down to the spoken language, children brains just adapt to the tones as if they where just different sounds. It comes down to how your brain is programed. here's an artical about that...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3025796.stm
jchthys (Показать профиль) 17 февраля 2009 г., 1:34:31
One of the hardest things about tonal languages that have such extreme forms of isolating morphology is that many words can be pronounced with the same articulation, but with different tones, and the meanings can be completely different depending on tone.Chinese is probably, objectively speaking, an easier language than English. Chinese is isolating and has no grammatical inflexions. Also, though Chinese might use tones in a way alien to English speakers, Chinese speakers have to learn all the nuances of English tone--after all, English uses tone too, just not as predictably.
For example, although I understand two Chinese languages, I still find Vietnamese (an unrelated language) fairly difficult, since oftentimes, meanings of a word are distinguished solely by tone.
tommjames (Показать профиль) 17 февраля 2009 г., 14:11:44
jchthys:Chinese is probably, objectively speaking, an easier language than English.*blink*
jan aleksan (Показать профиль) 17 февраля 2009 г., 14:35:29
RiotNrrd:In my part of the US we call it a "faucet". Although we call what comes out of it "tap-water". Go figure.In french it's "robinet", so no obvious relation... It comes from old french:
I also presume it is from the French (although we pronounce the "t").
etymonline
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Ironchef (Показать профиль) 17 февраля 2009 г., 15:04:29
jan aleksan:Thanks for that link Alek, I had often wondered about "faucet" too since I came to the USA but had never looked it up. In England it's known as a "tap" exclusively, as far as I know. I had always assumed that "tap" came from the fact you had to *tap* a barrel or cask by hitting it into the oak with a mallet.
In french it's "robinet", so no obvious relation... It comes from old french:
etymonline
Curiously, where I live now, in Maine USA, the word faucet is used probably 80% of the time for bathroom/kitchens, but if I say "tap" people also know what I mean. If I say "spigot" it is always assumed that I mean an outside faucet, usually to which a hosepipe is attached. If I say "faucet" when referring to the outside one, I get funny looks even though, physically, it's an identical item. Isn't English fun?