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글쓴이: Frankp, 2009년 6월 10일

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Frankp (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 10일 오전 8:07:57

Saluton
En forumo ,,

http://forums.ec.europa.eu/debateeurope/viewtopic....

http://europa.eu/debateeurope/index_en.htm

ni havas debaton pri:

Does Europe need a common language?

Ni esperantistoj besonas helpo.
ĉu ion povas veni kaj helpi?

jchthys (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 10일 오후 8:54:25

Hello.
In the following forums:
http://forums.ec.europa.eu/debateeurope/viewtopic....
http://europa.eu/debateeurope/index_en.htm
we are having a debate on the following topic: “Does Europe need a common language?”

We Esperantists need your help. Can anyone come and help?

andogigi (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 10일 오후 8:58:58

jchthys:
We Esperantists need your help. Can anyone come and help?
Are they interested in the opinions of non-Europeans?

Frankp (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 11일 오전 6:56:04

Pardonu, mi ne demandis pri helpo por europeanoj, mi demandis pri helpo por esperantistoj.

jchthys (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 11일 오전 10:09:21

Frankp:Pardonu, mi ne demandis pri helpo por europeanoj, mi demandis pri helpo por esperantistoj.
Excuse me, I didn’t ask about help for Europeans, I asked about help for Esperantists.

andogigi (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 12일 오전 1:38:55

jchthys:
Frankp:Pardonu, mi ne demandis pri helpo por europeanoj, mi demandis pri helpo por esperantistoj.
Excuse me, I didn’t ask about help for Europeans, I asked about help for Esperantists.
Yes yes, I understand this. But the forum you're asking help on involves issues concerning the European Union. Will the people on the forum respect the opinions of non-Europeans who have little to no stake in the discussion? I don't regularly participate there, so I have no way of knowing; hence, the question...

Frankp (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 12일 오전 10:28:54

Mia motivo por demdandi, por helpo en tiu eŭropoa forumo, estas igos pozitivan opinion pri Esperanto.
Ni esperantistoj devus labori por pozitivigus opinion pri esperanto ie, kie homoj parolas pri komunaj lingvoj.
Ankaŭ kiam vi ne ŝatas la politika direkto.
Esperanto estas ilo por komunikado.

Estas ebla, io politika direkto uzas Esperanto.
Estas ebla ion politika direkto favoras Esperanto.

Sed Esperanto ne estas politika direkto.

Bonvolu helpo pozitivigus la opinion pri Esperanto en tiu eŭropoa forumo.
Bedaŭrinde mi ne parolas la anglan lingvon sufiĉe bone.

Please, translate your message in English, otherwise it will be deleted.

Oŝo-Jabe (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 15일 오전 6:09:59

Frankp:Mia motivo por demdandi, por helpo en tiu eŭropoa forumo, estas igos pozitivan opinion pri Esperanto.
Ni esperantistoj devus labori por pozitivigus opinion pri esperanto ie, kie homoj parolas pri komunaj lingvoj.
Ankaŭ kiam vi ne ŝatas la politika direkto.
Esperanto estas ilo por komunikado.

Estas ebla, io politika direkto uzas Esperanto.
Estas ebla ion politika direkto favoras Esperanto.

Sed Esperanto ne estas politika direkto.

Bonvolu helpo pozitivigus la opinion pri Esperanto en tiu eŭropoa forumo.
Bedaŭrinde mi ne parolas la anglan lingvon sufiĉe bone.
I'll give it a try (not necessarily word-for-word):

My motive for asking for help in this European forum was to change what people think about Esperanto. We Esperantists should work to better people's opinions about Esperanto, in a place where they are talking about a common language and, not liking the political side. Esperanto is a tool for communication.

It's possible that one political side is using Esperanto.
It's possible that one political side favors Esperanto.

But Esperanto is not a political side.

Please help better the opinions of Esperanto on this European forum. Unfortunately, I don't speak English well enough to.

Matthieu (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 17일 오후 10:38:57

I think it is unrelated with the supremacy of English: it's just because this is the English-language part of the forum. A message only in Esperanto in the French forum would receive the same comment written in French. (And it has already happened.) I suppose the moderator merely applies the rule “The messages in the English forum must be written in English” (or Polish, or Chinese, etc.).

(By the way, I read the link given in the first message and I feel insulted by some posts about Esperanto – sorry – “Espershit”.)

tommjames (프로필 보기) 2009년 6월 17일 오후 10:43:20

I don't really think it's a matter of English, rather the wrong language in the wrong place.. so the fact it was English in this case is just incedental. Similar warnings appear in the other forums too so I don't think I agree with the thing about English supremacy and sending out the wrong message.

Hans-Dieter:a) if you don't have a common language use Esperanto
I think the whole point of the English forum, or any of the other "other language" forums, is that we DO have a common language.. the language of the forum itself. If you don't speak the language then why post there? You can get answers to English-specific questions in any of the Esperanto threads.

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