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Some chap has finally gone and simplified to a more learnable extent Modern Indo European and kinda evolved it to a suitable-to-learn-moderately-quickly state.
(deca-por-lerni-meze-rapide)

It seems as straight forward as Dutch as far as I am concerned. And Dutch seems fairly straight forward (minus the irregular vowels and 'g/ch' and rolling R, which makes me ask, Rogir, do you guys mind if I completely anglicise your language phonetically?)

So yeah, anyone interested, it's out there. And sorry if this message is poorly written, I'm too tired (because I've just moved and and got only 3 hours sleep)

Well, we rather like our consonants actually. You may drop the g in favour of a german ch, but you'll have to roll your r's like most of the continent.

Anyway, this sambahsa seems like another germanic-like language that I won't bother to learn. At least not as long as I'm learning Swedish.

By coincidence, I've been studying an Esperanto text about when Zamenhof commented on the phenomenon of people wanting to come out with yet another aŭxlang. He suggested not worrying about them, and asked the following acute question: is a collection of words comprehensible to polyglots actually a language able to serve the whole world? He provided a parable to illustrate the matter: For something to be suitable as food, it has to be easily digestible. Someone, fixed on this idea, dissolves a bit of sugar in water, gives it to starved people and says 'Isn't my solution more digestible than those usual meals?' They agree, and he proclaims to the world that his food is the best! But even a child who is well fed will be able to say to him 'Your solution is digestible all right, but it is not proper food!' It is not enough for the mixture to be "easily digestible" - it has to be nourishing!
You will find the full Esperanto text by Zamenhof BTW on page 258 of Boris Kolker's Vojaĝo en Esperanto Lando.

PS. I wouldn't stop you examining such things if you find them interesting. After all, tolerance helps Esperantists as well!

Roll my R's! God, I can't even trill my R's. I've managed to finesse the issue in Spanish for years, but if the only R there is in Esperanto is trilled, I'll just have to choose my wo'ds veddy cayefully.

Hello forum people. I've been reading everyone's posts with great interest. Hopefully once I've gotten over my endlessly creative strategies for avoiding actually studying and practicing Esperanto as opposed to just idly reading all of it that appears on my screen, I'll being able to post in the eo forums.

Now in a silly attempt to appear that I actually have something on topic to say:
Sambahsa sounds interesting, but after confusing myself with a brief flirtation with Ido I've vowed to stay away from other conlangs.

ErrantKnabo:
Sambahsa sounds interesting, but after confusing myself with a brief flirtation with Ido I've vowed to stay away from other conlangs.

Ha ha yeah maybe for now it might just get confusing But I'm one of those silly chaps who jumps right into languages without thinking about whether it will be hard or confusing or what not so I get interested in these things quite easily.

And btw if you can trill your r's thats essentially the same as rolling them so don't worry about any trouble there. Just use the Spanish 'r' and you'll be fine

Oh and welcome to the lernu forums

Rogir:Well, we rather like our consonants actually. You may drop the g in favour of a german ch, but you'll have to roll your r's like most of the continent.

Ah well in that case I'll be polite and actually try and pronounce things correct Speaking of the continental r's though, can you pronounce things like "aard" like in German, English or slack Swedish and have it more like 'aad'?

And still off topic, but liking Swedish? Hur mycket kan du tala? Älskar du de svenska 'u'?

Miland:

Thanks for that Miland. what he says makes sense too. It's like having a really easy language that sounds monotonous or having a really flowing and beautiful sounding language that just can't be learnt.
Have to be honest though the Sambahsa isn't as good as I would like in an auxlang. Personally I think we're all better off making pidgin-like languages for all the different language groups first then worrying about global intercommunication later, with EO filling the gap until that time comes in the next 1000 or so years

Jag har skrivit några meddelanden i Svenska forumet, men jag behövar ännu en ordbok.
(I've written some messages on the Swedish forum, but I still need a dictionary)
I like the Swedish u, we have it in Dutch too. A language feels a bit incomplete to me without it.

Sellamat !
Hello everybody !

I'm the inventor of Sambahsa. I was surprised to find here some mention of the auxlang.
In fact, I have abandoned the blog a few months ago, for a US friend has opened a wiki for Sambahsa:
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/
There is now a FAQ and an English Grammar.
Sambahsa is indeed very simplified IE (Indo-European) but its vocabulary encompasses a lot of various influences, mainly isoglosses from Western Europe up to Eastern Asia.

Here your can get some stuff on Sambahsa, including a subtitled version of "Hunt for Gollum":
http://www.pagef30.com/search/label/Sambahsa-mundi...
On the sambahsa Google group, you can download some translations:
http://groups.google.com/group/sambahsa-mundialect

Tiel mox !

Olivier

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Some chap has finally gone and simplified to a more learnable extent Modern Indo European and kinda evolved it to a suitable-to-learn-moderately-quickly state.
(deca-por-lerni-meze-rapide)

It seems as straight forward as Dutch as far as I am concerned. And Dutch seems fairly straight forward (minus the irregular vowels and 'g/ch' and rolling R, which makes me ask, Rogir, do you guys mind if I completely anglicise your language phonetically?)

So yeah, anyone interested, it's out there. And sorry if this message is poorly written, I'm too tired (because I've just moved and and got only 3 hours sleep)

Rogir:Jag har skrivit några meddelanden i Svenska forumet, men jag behövar ännu en ordbok.
(I've written some messages on the Swedish forum, but I still need a dictionary)
I like the Swedish u, we have it in Dutch too. A language feels a bit incomplete to me without it.

Indeed, all languages need that u
Ja, jag behöver också en ordbok men jag har ingen pengar, så jag inventerar nya ord och grammatik
(Yes I also need a dictionary but I haven't any money, so I invent new words and grammar )
And I'm just too lazy and too torn between many similar languages like Dutch Danish and Deutsch.
Either way din svenska är mycket bra och bättre än min

and @ Cafaristeir:

Hey! Thanks for popping in and saying hi!
I do like Sambahsa, so if you read a previous message of mine somewhat criticising Sambahsa's strength as an auxiliary language please don't feel discouraged (I say the same things about Esperanto too, if not all auxlangs including my own attempts ).

What I do like about Sambahsa is, like Greek and Albanian, it doesn't look closely related to anything but it just feels like a natural language, which is something I feel many constructed languages lack. It also makes a good bridge between the Romance and Germanic languages.

Auxlang-wise, I think it lacks the simplicity that an auxlang needs.
But I'd learn it (or at least have a good long hard look at it, seeming I'm meant to be studying for Uni exams) for the same reasons one might learn latin - it seems really in-depth and rich. I reckon it would be a great resource for those studying constructed languages (surely in the near future a field will be devoted to such!)

So great work! (or as we say in Australia, Good yakka mate!)

I wouldn't mind though attempting to create a language based off of Sambahsa though - e.g. like what Danish or English is to the proto-germanic language, something highly simplified and evolved.
e.g. from the line "Un centen wolfen gwiviet in France" to "En sente volfe hwive en Frans"
or "Oino million octcent nevgim oino mil quarcent mensci habiteer in ..." to "Ene miljon ottsent nevm ene mil hwarsent menshi avitir en ...
Hopefully you would not mind that?

Sellamat Ceigered !

Don't worry for your comments about Sambahsa; they sound like the ones I've haerd from other people; as Sambahsa looks like a "real" language, it appears extremely complicated at first sight. For example, the man who opened the Sambahsa wiki has said two years ago that Sambahsa-Mundialect was some kind of SM... But people make little by little their mind up after a thorougher look.
Sambahsa is - I completely assume - more complicated than most auxlangs,but it's less complicated than most natlangs (and in today's world, millions of people use natlangs for international communication).

By creating Sambahsa I have wanted something relatively IE neutral but simplified in the direction of modern West European languages. There are almost no irregularities. And furthermore, I think that a little more complexity can be counterbalanced if the auxlang brings precision, shortness and some kind of naturalness.
I think that Esperanto works technically well, but that it lacks shortness and naturalness, what repell many people from adopting it. I suppose that it's the shortness of many of its words that gives to Sambahsa a kind of "germanic" outlook.

Learning Sambahsa is not a loss of time because it helps you assimilating the basic features of IE grammar (half the world population); and its vocabulary includes not only IE roots, but generally words common to at least 2 languages. Thus there are many words common to French and English (that's helpful for beginners), but also words from Eastern Europe, from Muslim countries (Turkish, Arabic, Parsi, Urdu, Swahili and Indonesian share a significant wordstock) and even some "sinitic" words.

Of course, you're wholeheartedly welcome to learn Sambahsa. I have opened a Google group for the learning of the basics of Sambahsa (the grammar) which I tested with Dave Mc Leod (an English-speaking Canadian) during ten days. These exercises consisted mainly of small translations which permit to see if the learner has assimilated the rules,or to provide further informations. Thus, you (and others) can register on the "Sambahsa-mundialect" where you can make exercises at your rhythm:
http://groups.google.com/group/sambahsa-mundialect

Of course, you are fully free to create a germanic auxlang, more or less inspired by Sambahsa; indeed David Parke, a New-Zealander, has released an interesting project a few months ago "Frenkish":
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/frenkisch/
I was surprised to see it shared some common features with Sambahsa, like the use of diphtongs. The most remarkable one is the presence of a verbal ablaut (to the diffrence that the ablaut system in Sambahsa is fully regular and isn't considered an exception).

Dank ob doce mi sem Australian werds !
(Thanks for teaching me some Australian words !)

Tiel mox !

Olivier
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/

Well either way for a conlangist like me Sambahsa is indeed quite interesting, and while I do find it difficult to compare with Esperanto (it'd be like comparing apples with bananas) I do think it is something I'd like to learn better.

Also for a germanic-language lover like myself it does have a lot of things I have been missing in conlangs due to the majority being highly romance-based vocabulary-wise (e.g. Interlingua, Lingua Franca Nova, Esperanto, Ido et al)

I find it a pity though because there are so many conlangs out there with great features, but it seems like if you try combining them it won't work E.g. you couldn't have the natural looking complexity of Sambahsa combined with the simple word building system of Esperanto without having clashes.

And no problem with... doce ti sem Australian werds (or is it doco? :-/)

The use of West-European 'simplification' (I was thinking of the word degradation but that sounds as if the language is falling apart) is also interesting, especially since it seems as if those languages seem to always simplify faster than others (probably due to the large amount of languages in the same place).