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viết bởi Sinanthiel, Ngày 17 tháng 11 năm 2009

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Oŝo-Jabe (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 00:13:07 Ngày 19 tháng 11 năm 2009

Rogir:
Greyshades:I may be wrong, but as I see it, "ain't" is much more of a error than using the accusative wrong. Still, funny
I disagree. the accusative is an integral part of Esperanto whose correct use carries a lot of information. Also, that English sentence would be correct in certain dialects.
Quite. In fact the only reason "ain't" isn't more used, even though it popped up around the same time as other contractions, is because it was determined by the 19th Century prescriptivist upper class that it was too vulgar for formal English. As a contraction of "am not" it actually makes more sense than the offered alternative "aren't" in the question "Aren't I?" > "I are not." versus "Ain't I?" > "I am not.'

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 05:23:38 Ngày 19 tháng 11 năm 2009

Greyshades: I may be wrong, but as I see it, "ain't" is much more of a error than using the accusative wrong. Still, funny rido.gif
can't say I agree - ain't is more or less a contraction of 'is', 'am' and 'are' where the ending got cut off (int and ant) then probably due to nasalisation and vowel changes went to ain't. (int -> iynt -> eynt -> ain't or something like that). Similar to saying the accusative with a more nasally n like in french (but not as strongly) and some Japanese accents.

Speaking of which it wouldn't surprise me if somewhere in the future of English 'are' replaces all other present tense conjugations of the copula. After all it's already there for we, you, they (the latter two being used increasingly over their singular tense variants (definitely with 'you' and "they" in gender neutral forms). And that would mirror the other heavily Norse influenced Germanic languages. And for some stupid reason there are some BBC shows where characters say 'I are' ("I are a triangle!" - me:"yes, yes you am") lango.gif

Greyshades (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:12:25 Ngày 19 tháng 11 năm 2009

ceigered:
Greyshades: I may be wrong, but as I see it, "ain't" is much more of a error than using the accusative wrong. Still, funny rido.gif
can't say I agree - ain't is more or less a contraction of 'is', 'am' and 'are' where the ending got cut off (int and ant) then probably due to nasalisation and vowel changes went to ain't. (int -> iynt -> eynt -> ain't or something like that). Similar to saying the accusative with a more nasally n like in french (but not as strongly) and some Japanese accents.

Speaking of which it wouldn't surprise me if somewhere in the future of English 'are' replaces all other present tense conjugations of the copula. After all it's already there for we, you, they (the latter two being used increasingly over their singular tense variants (definitely with 'you' and "they" in gender neutral forms). And that would mirror the other heavily Norse influenced Germanic languages. And for some stupid reason there are some BBC shows where characters say 'I are' ("I are a triangle!" - me:"yes, yes you am") lango.gif
Okay I take it back rido.gif

English contractions never made too much sense to me in some areas, but that's because it's English and it must be challenging lango.gif

On the other hand I kinda wish Esperanto had a few contractions for verbs like esti, povi, bezoni, etc.

andogigi (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 23:24:24 Ngày 19 tháng 11 năm 2009

It is very true. Humor is culturally relative. For example, an old slapstick gag in American movies was to throw a cream pie in someone's face. While many Americans find this amusing, some cultures would logically find such behavior insulting and offensive.

Likewise, I have seen some of the "candid camera" type material that comes out of Japanese television. To me, I actually feel sorry for some of the "victims" of these amazingly cruel pranks, many of which center around toilet humor. (Do a quick search on YouTube. You'll easily see what I'm talking about)

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 09:59:23 Ngày 20 tháng 11 năm 2009

Japanese humour on TV is quite interesting and diverse now that you mention it. You can get some cute/harmless/insanely funny humour in Anime to some really elaborate pranks/possible violations of human rights in some game shows (think the Simpsons episode where they go to Japan) to some lame soap operas where the humour just doesn't seem to make sense (but then again I'm sure lame soap opera humour is universal).

benanhalt (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 21:55:57 Ngày 21 tháng 11 năm 2009

ceigered:
Speaking of which it wouldn't surprise me if somewhere in the future of English 'are' replaces all other present tense conjugations of the copula.
You be tripping. If all the different forms of be collapse to a single form, that form will be be. It already be happening in urban dialects in the US. It be that way in the Jamaican dialect, at least in stereotype. Aye, and that be how we right villainous pirates be speaking our English as well. Any landlubber what does otherwise be a scurvy dog, arrr!

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 10:56:21 Ngày 22 tháng 11 năm 2009

Ay you be making a good point lad!

Maybe in the future the English language will be divided into dialects classified by copula usage - "are" languages, "be" languages and the "non-pirate-esque-copulae" languages lango.gif

I guess of course another important factor is the region you're living in. Here in Australia we have pretty much nothing to do with Jamaica - except during the West Indies cricket match - so the cultural influence probably isn't too great.

Ailanto (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:06:11 Ngày 22 tháng 11 năm 2009

Or maybe "to be" will just disappear...

E-Prime

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:54:01 Ngày 22 tháng 11 năm 2009

Ailanto:Or maybe "to be" will just disappear...

E-Prime
Well that could be exist as a final resort, but if that happens I'm speaking I shall begin to speak Dutch for my daily dose of irregular copulae rido.gif Is dat goed met allen? (I'll let Rogir correct that if he wants lango.gif)

Miland (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:09:33 Ngày 22 tháng 11 năm 2009

ceigered:Well that could be exist as a final resort, but if that happens I'm speaking I shall begin to speak Dutch..
Are Have become you sure that you do not mean double Dutch?

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