I can vouch for Calibre. But LRF is better format for sony readers than EPub as it is the native sony format.

I don't understand why all you people keep going on about glyphs not being rendered. I already told the solution above

Here's Sony Reader rendering esperanto perfectly fine:
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3441/eolegilo.j...

If you read mathematical books (like me) then most formats ruin the rendering and you'll need to split the pdf using this tool: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...

There's an Ubuntu 64bit compile somewaydown thepage.

OTHERWISE KEEP THE BOOKS IN PDF FORMAT. PDF EMBEDS THE FONT AND ESPERANTO WQILL RENDER CORRECTLY

damn its annoying to tell you all what to do, show a screenshot and then see you all keep chatting "oh my my, why dun mah fonts wurk?? duhh"

A little politeness wouldn't go amiss. Lots of people find technology difficult to deal with.

Genjix:

OTHERWISE KEEP THE BOOKS IN PDF FORMAT. PDF EMBEDS THE FONT AND ESPERANTO WQILL RENDER CORRECTLY

damn its annoying to tell you all what to do, show a screenshot and then see you all keep chatting "oh my my, why dun mah fonts wurk?? duhh"

One tool is not always the best solution for every problem. Just because 90% of the world uses Microsoft Windows, it doesn't mean that I can't spend my time trying to get FreeBSD running on my laptop.

There are advantages to using the kindle format versus PDF (on a Kindle), such as better font size control, text to speech, and possibly others. Not to mention that some PDFs just look awful on the Kindle. These days, PDFs are a huge carrier of malware. Someone might be hesitant to put a file on their reader that could possibly have a virus.

I did mention that I wouldn't want to take the time to convert a entire PDF book, but it is possible for those so inclined. Why berate someone for wanting to understand something better or getting a better experience out of their device? I feel that there is a huge benefit in sharing knowledge, even if it isn't knowledge that you can use. It helps empower the person that you are sharing with. You never know... they might discover something new that you might be interested in, based on the knowledge that you shared in the first place.

Don't buy a DRM encumbered device then.

Amazon offers you this little convenient pleasures in exchange for your freedom. They say just if you accept these little restrictions.

You not thinking about freedom might accept that poisonous deal.

Kindle#Remote_content_removal

Unless you understand the implications of a technology, then you don't deserve to use it. Dangerous precedents are set by technology being taken up not on its technical merits, but it's social acceptance. The statement sounds harsh, but the flash mob of technology voters is electing a threatening situation.

Facebook, DRM, paypal, software patents, net neutrality, throttling, tiered net... These are all threats. Consolidating large groups of people on the net in single places, for single services is the worst thing to ever happen. It puts incredible control into the hands of fascists.

I encourage you whenever the next fad like iPod, iPhone, Kindle, ... comes along, then look at alternative devices. It is not worth an iota of your freedom, just for that inch of convenience.

About PDF's: ALL esperanto books are in PDF. Converting them from PDF (as you suggested), makes NO difference, and is unnecessary. Especially since they just work as-is, and render Esperanto fine on EBOOK readers.

Unless the PDF is laid out strange, or uses funky glyphs (like math formulas), then it should render fine. If your device can't break the text properly, then it's a shitty device (if your kindle has this problem then trade it back in).

If you have that problem, then I provided a tool above to fix the PDF (soPDF above for Win/Mac/Linux).

Esperanto books should be fine (as I showed in my screenshot above where the book was zoomed in).

"On August 13, 2009, Sony announced that by the end of 2009, it will only sell EPUB books from the Sony Reader Store, and will have dropped its proprietary DRM entirely in favor of Adobe's CS4 server side copy protection."

Suggested alternative devices to look at:

Sony PRS 600 (smaller device)
Sony PRS 900 (big device)
iRex iLiad (widely considered the best device, but very expensive)
Comparison_of_e-book_readers

The device I showed above was a Sony PRS 600.

Buy a DRM emcumbered device, just understand the limitations, and find a way to get around them, which is what seems to be happening here.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what you use as long as you have control over it, thus I have no problem with FB, DRM, paypal (other than that it's annoying to set up and I don't think I have enough need of it to warrant setting up an account), and I can't remember what net neutrality, throttling and tiered mean exactly but I'm sure I know what the concepts are (without being able to put name to concept as we can see here), but it's all easily overcomeable.

All in all, while I think putting out a warning about using DRM and other issue ridden things is good practice, the way you've mentioned it makes it sounds like if I use FB, an iphone, use google, etc, I'm going to be ruled by Oceania after the next election, which comes across as just as sensational as the same silly advertising campaigns that make us buy into all these fads (not that the fads are necessarily bad, the iPhone works nicely as does FB). Ultimately the world of technology is embroiled with fads and marketing and commercialisation, which is necessary. If people are too readily accepting of alternatives, it can sometimes make mass acceptance of new technology impossible to deal with. On the flip side, even if everyone bought the same things as they do today, the reason we have drm etc is due to a heavily complex system that we have today, and that system isn't easy to dismantle or change into something dangerous - it takes a big push for that. (and as we know, the people don't like big pushes, even when they may be beneficial, like the health care reform attempted in the US, which as an Australian I'm shocked to know didn't exist (or doesn't, not sure) as it goes against the "love your neighbour as you love yourself" mentality, but people could still find problems with it in places sometimes surprising)

Anyway, tl;dr, chill with the dramatics because for those who don't understand the technological processes or are like me and prefer to stubbornly continue with using "inferior" products because we want to, it's about as helpful as a kick in the genetalia, but I still must say "goodonya" for putting in the notes about DRM. Just don't scare people because then the fight or flight mechanism will be triggered and they'll either run away from any problem or completely disregard the advice given.

I cannot agree with your diatribe. You mixed between the arguments of: a little chipping away at my rights as a user is OK, to I don't understand therefore I don't care.

Benjamin Franklin said:

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.

I say:

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Convenience Deserve Neither.

If you are unencumbering DRM then you are breaking the law. Your government will be labelling you a criminal, regardless of whether you heed the notice.

People don't know about their freedoms and just let them run away through their fingers.

Ultimately the world of technology is embroiled with fads and marketing and commercialisation, which is necessary.

Far from the truth. The early internet was founded and developed by the hacker community against the dominating wills of corporations who seeked to control and abuse it for personal gain. This is a continuing pressure from companies who wish to turn you away from being a participant (creating/sharing for free) back into the old model of you being a consumer of content made by them (the producers). The latest such proposal is Tiered Internet. In the software world opposing software developed by users for free is the devastating practise of Software Patents. Trusted Computing is another huge threat:

Chip manufacturers Intel and AMD, hardware manufacturers such as Dell, and operating system providers such as Microsoft all plan to include Trusted Computing into coming generations of products.

Again and again everytime you sacrifice the slightest freedoms companies will bide their time and abuse it to the full. They have a duty to shareholders, not you.

- Paypal randomly seizing funds. No recourse.
- The famous Sony rootkit/malware
- Facebook. No control over your data which they sell and data mine (examine your habits, build detailed profiles about your life, sell to advertising agencies and give you customised adverts). Censorship.
- Unethical business practices at Microsoft

There's hundreds more. I just have got bored typing those after those few I just randomly picked.

Contrary to advertisement would want you to believe, the technology world is built from the work of hackers and pioneers. Technology companies actually contribute very little and only in the short term period.

Technology is driven by interoperability with other technology, and freedom/transparency. It's how science also operates. All of the fundamental paradigm shifts have been from the free flow of knowledge, with new discoveries from unexpected reuses of ideas from elsewhere.

Restricting that in even the slightest way is exponentially damaging to technology/science in the long run. And incredibly philistine.

Anyway I'm going to stop looking at this thread, because I don't want to get sucked into a debate which will consume my time But the info is there and public, plz look & educate yourself. Don't be dumb.

Genjix:Don't buy a DRM encumbered device then.

I'm not sure why you brought DRM up. DRM has nothing to do with converting PDFs into another format.... otherwise it would be an effective DRM solution. And it definitely is a far cry from what my original post was about.

Genjix:The device I showed above was a Sony PRS 600.

You seem to love Sony products. You do realize that Sony is the gigantic conglomerate that tried installing a spyware rootkit on Windows systems from listening to their audio CDs in the name of DRM....

Sony Rootkit

I'm not saying that Sony is evil, just be careful what you preach.

Genjix:I cannot agree with your diatribe. You mixed between the arguments of: a little chipping away at my rights as a user is OK, to I don't understand therefore I don't care.

Benjamin Franklin said:

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.

I say:

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Convenience Deserve Neither.

If you are unencumbering DRM then you are breaking the law. Your government will be labelling you a criminal, regardless of whether you heed the notice.

Well, I'm pretty sure that if they find +70% of Australians to have infringed DRM, we can just vote for DRM to be disregarded with that higher majority. DRM is also sort of a blessing at times too - it helps maintain market circulation in a non-anarchistic way (when done properly). While in a really awesome world of a future, it'd be great to do away with such nonsense, the world isn't suited for one area of commerce to suddenly go utopian when the rest of the system isn't at the right point yet.

People don't know about their freedoms and just let them run away through their fingers.

True, but you don't want to sound like a counterproductive prophet of doom. And there's a difference between

Ultimately the world of technology is embroiled with fads and marketing and commercialisation, which is necessary.

Far from the truth. The early internet was founded and developed by the hacker community against the dominating wills of corporations who seeked to control and abuse it for personal gain. This is a continuing pressure from companies who wish to turn you away from being a participant (creating/sharing for free) back into the old model of you being a consumer of content made by them (the producers). The latest such proposal is Tiered Internet. In the software world opposing software developed by users for free is the devastating practise of Software Patents.

Ah thanks for that info about Tiered internet - I had a feeling that's what it was. Yes, that does irritate me to no end that concept, but I feel that it relies more on the government than corporations to ensure it doesn't happen. For example, government censorship - if that gets through, it could potentially lead to tiered internet through rather strange means (each country has its own little loophole I'm sure tiered internet could be introduced by). Anyway, that's politics, and relies on voters as a mass, which is why it's good to tell people these things but not preach them.

But back to my point - the push AGAINST tiered internet is in itself a fad, since it's based more on the fear of potential loss of hypothetical freedom (freedom taken for granted or nonexisting currently but will exist or is assumed to exist in the future). In the same light, while Tiered internet is dangerous, there are some concepts from it which are beneficial, and necessary for further development. Too much good can be a bad thing rings true here, but that doesn't mean staying away from the good is necessarily productive reasoning. And the early internet was established by inter-university telecommunication projects I believe. It's a pretty free network, so the internet as we know it today just evolved naturally from there. Anyway, corporations aren't anywhere as powerful as you seem to be making them - remember what make up corporations, and remember who corporations must answer to.

Again and again everytime you sacrifice the slightest freedoms companies will bide their time and abuse it to the full. They have a duty to shareholders, not you.

Wrong, they have to respect their customers, otherwise they lose both their main source of profit and then they lose their shareholders. If they're powerful enough to control you, then it's no different from being the member of any nation on the earth, which are the same in principal.

- Facebook. No control over your data which they sell and data mine (examine your habits, build detailed profiles about your life, sell to advertising agencies and give you customised adverts).

This is common sense though. Don't give strangers information unless you trust them with it no matter what they could do. And customised adverts are pretty cool, nothing wrong with that, unless they're poorly implemented and give you dodgy ads.

Contrary to advertisement would want you to believe, the technology world is built from the work of hackers and pioneers. Technology companies actually contribute very little and only in the short term period.

This just screams reactionary propaganda, sorry mate . And remember where your computer and modem came from. Hackers contributed something to the net, but they're hardly responsible for majority of it.

It's ok if things veer off topic a bit in these forums. But please let's not let this thing degenerate into a huge flame war over DRM, ok?

Esperanto grammar, anyone?