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Genjix (프로필 보기) 2010년 9월 22일 오후 10:54:23
It says dolori is transitive.
tia operacio tre dolorasHow comes? Surely that's intransitive (no object) there? And I see the examples there switching it's usage between tr and intr...
Alciona (프로필 보기) 2010년 9월 23일 오전 12:13:56
Genjix:I'm reading Reto Vortaro trying to guess which verbs are transitive and intransitive.The way 'dolori' (to hurt) is used in Esperanto is transitive. When you say 'Mia mano doloras' (my hand hurts) like we do in English, you are really saying 'Mia mano doloras min' (my hand hurts me). So your hand is the subject and you are the object, even if the object isn't mentioned explicitly.
It says dolori is transitive.tia operacio tre dolorasHow comes? Surely that's intransitive (no object) there? And I see the examples there switching it's usage between tr and intr...
According to David K. Jordan in 'Being Colloquial in Esperanto':
Sometimes the object (or even subject) is only implied.
Min doloras ĉi tie, Panjo. = I hurt here, Mommy. (subject omitted)
Tia operacio tre doloras. = Such an operation hurts a lot. (object omitted)
La vundo estis tre dolora. = The wound was very painful.
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erinja (프로필 보기) 2010년 9월 23일 오전 2:06:29
Eat is clearly a transitive verb (I eat an apple) but you don't always have to specify an object (She is eating, When do we eat?, Let's eat!) These examples aren't intransitive usages, they're just situations where the object isn't specified.
Miland (프로필 보기) 2010년 9월 23일 오전 8:19:49
Genjix: One then will wonder why dolorigi exists.Good question. Suppose we put in the implied object to begin with. "My stomach hurts (me)". Mia stomako doloras (min), Then add in a possible causative agent: "The blow caused my stomach to hurt (me)." La frapo igis mian stomakon dolori (min) = La frapo dolorigis mian stomakon. Clearer now?
Miland (프로필 보기) 2010년 9월 23일 오전 10:26:50
oxymor:I don't understand why the verb simili accept objects, considering its meaning. Can you help me ? "Mi similas vin" is correct..?Simili means "to resemble" or "be similar", to something else, which is the object. Mi similas min pli bone ol iu ajn alia might be a joke.
myris (프로필 보기) 2010년 9월 23일 오전 10:51:39
oxymor:I don't understand why the verb simili accept objects, considering its meaning. Can you help me ?This has nothing to do with action. This is grammar.
"Mi similas vin" is correct, no ?
But I don't make an action on you in this case ...
thank you
Some verbs have been created transitive (komenci), others intransitive (bruli). Why? Ask Zamenhof...
Transitivity can be changed using affixes ig and iĝ.
La papero brulas vs mi bruligas paperon.
Mi komencas laboron vs mia laboro komenciĝas.
Note that if ig is used with transitive verb, you get another meaning:
Mi faris mian laboron : I did my work
Mi farigis mian laboron: I had my work done (by somebody else)