qwertz, Glenn Beck has had a lot of awful things to say about Europe and European nations over the years, so I doubt that he will be reading the Western European newspapers to get information anytime soon.

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I just want to say something before this forum thread goes out of control - please let's not let this forum thread go out of control. In the American Esperanto community, most of us are the types who support someone like Soros, but there are also American Esperanto speakers and learners who think that Soros is evil and who tend to agree with Glenn Beck. Yes, non-American readers, I am serious. Some people listen to Glenn Beck and think that he has a lot of good ideas and that he's right much more often than he's wrong. I really do not want a political flame war to get started here, because no one will ever convince anyone and those kinds of acrimonious discussions only leave people thinking that the person with the opposite point of view is a short-sighted idiot, which is not a feeling that will promote Esperanto in any way.

So please everyone, before this thing gets nasty, let's step back slowly from this topic and return to our regularly scheduled program of discussions of Esperanto grammar.

Mike: Believe it or not, I am a huge fan of Beck. Sometimes his research is a little spotty (such as in this case), but the basic message of personal responsibility, a return to limited government, belief in American exceptionalism, the reexamination of the true roots of the the "Progressive" movement in the US, distrust of the tendency toward global governance, and suspicion of slimy economic hitmen like Soros are all things which I applaud.

That makes two of us, Mike. Beck constantly say "Dont believe me. Study this on our own." I study these things on my own regularly. George Soros is a very "scary dude" and is actively working toward the New World Order. There are 20 or 30 videos right on You tube of him admitting to this.

Travis523:

Mike: Believe it or not, I am a huge fan of Beck. Sometimes his research is a little spotty (such as in this case), but the basic message of personal responsibility, a return to limited government, belief in American exceptionalism, the reexamination of the true roots of the the "Progressive" movement in the US, distrust of the tendency toward global governance, and suspicion of slimy economic hitmen like Soros are all things which I applaud.

That makes two of us, Mike. Beck constantly say "Dont believe me. Study this on our own." I study these things on my own regularly. George Soros is a very "scary dude" and is actively working toward the New World Order. There are 20 or 30 videos right on You tube of him admitting to this.

Interesting. Somebody makes something discussion topic which other people don't see a demand to has be changed. In German: "Infrage stellen". (I don't know how to say that in English). Something similar I encounter at town where I live now. Casually I also ask people why this and that still not has changed because it obviously doesn't work proper anymore. And get the answer: "It still not has changed why it is this way still a long time". In German: "Gewohnheitsrecht": Something gets strict ruled status after some time just due the fact that it still is handeled this way a long time. No discussion, please. Ehm, what? We still made that XXX years wrong - ehm - oops. Probably also a situation Obama in the U.S. encounters.

These East-Germans are really annoying and have no respect for the achievements of Western-Germany. Yes, I don't have a lot of because I have experienced how a whole system crashed in East-Germany due to economic and some other reasons. I don't wanna experience that a second time still to the fact that something was not discussed and maybe changed before it crashed. (Btw. the current German chancellor also is a East-German).

Generally I heard that "New World Order" term the first time.

qwertz:These East-Germans are really annoying and have no respect for the achievements of Western-Germany.

Let me guess what they might say in the former DDR: "These West Germans are really annoying and have no respect for the achievements of East Germany." Nicht wahr?

erinja:qwertz, Glenn Beck has had a lot of awful things to say about Europe and European nations over the years, so I doubt that he will be reading the Western European newspapers to get information anytime soon.

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I just want to say something before this forum thread goes out of control - please let's not let this forum thread go out of control. In the American Esperanto community, most of us are the types who support someone like Soros, but there are also American Esperanto speakers and learners who think that Soros is evil and who tend to agree with Glenn Beck. Yes, non-American readers, I am serious. Some people listen to Glenn Beck and think that he has a lot of good ideas and that he's right much more often than he's wrong. I really do not want a political flame war to get started here, because no one will ever convince anyone and those kinds of acrimonious discussions only leave people thinking that the person with the opposite point of view is a short-sighted idiot, which is not a feeling that will promote Esperanto in any way.

So please everyone, before this thing gets nasty, let's step back slowly from this topic and return to our regularly scheduled program of discussions of Esperanto grammar.

I didn't want to start a political war either, I thought everyone was going to discuss Beck's comments about Esperanto, not about George Soros. I don't care about George Soros.

Evildela:I totally agree with everything you say Ceigered, and that Esperanto New TV show that I just watched 2 hours ago being presented by a well spoken Chinese girl was totally not real. This reminds of that TV clip I saw few years ago where bunch of aussies went to America with a map and the name Afghanistan pasted over the top of the Australia continent and most of the locals were pointing at Australia and say things like "That’s the place we need to bomb"

What show?

Personally, I think anyone who shoots his mouth off about something he doesn't know anything about is an idiot.

So, as far as EO is concerned, I'm putting GB in the same category as Noam Chomsky, who may or may not be an intelligent guy, but who has publically made some abysmally stupid and uninformed comments about Esperanto.

ZOV:

Evildela:I totally agree with everything you say Ceigered, and that Esperanto New TV show that I just watched 2 hours ago being presented by a well spoken Chinese girl was totally not real. This reminds of that TV clip I saw few years ago where bunch of aussies went to America with a map and the name

What show?

Maybe this one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5uFAM15SDA

and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

Just to be clear, in NO other sense do I put Beck and Chomsky in the same category. Only as far as EO is concerned.

RiotNrrd:So, as far as EO is concerned, I'm putting GB in the same category as Noam Chomsky, who may or may not be an intelligent guy, but who has publically made some abysmally stupid and uninformed comments about Esperanto.

GB is obviously a very stupid person and Chomsky a very intelligent man.

But the fact that one doesn't know anything about Eo, mainly reveals what Society in general knows about the subject.
And it is indeed very revealing (and also quiet shocking to us - I know what you feel) that such a brilliant linguist as Chomsky can make "abysmally stupid and uninformed comments about Esperanto", as you so rightly put it.

Another good example of that is Umberto Eco who considered during years Eo as a joke before he had to write something*- and therefore get some information - about it.

*La ricerca della lingua perfetta nella cultura europea (1993 - English translation: The Search for the Perfect Language, 1995)