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Music that isn't slow or hard rock

de ki4jgt, 2010-decembro-03

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BlackOtaku (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-26 14:19:24

Even though I'm not usually big on rock, I'm a fan of Dolĉamar. On the hip-hop side, a favorite is La Pafklik (and probably Trackman Artifex if I can find more of his songs, I love 'La Biciklo').

Sxak (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-26 14:36:40

erinja:"La Mevo" is an Esperanto artist from Japan.
"Mevo" estas kromnomo de la fama esperantisto el Ukraninio, kiu printewmpe de 2010 farigxis akademiano de esperanto: de Pavel Mojxajev, kiu ankaux produktas almenaux unu lumodiskon: http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluke-Traduke

Evildela (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-28 12:26:39

Considering how many Asian Esperantist's exist, its kinda odd that there is like NO Esperanto music from a native Asians.

ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-28 13:07:52

Evildela:Considering how many Asian Esperantist's exist, its kinda odd that there is like NO Esperanto music from a native Asians.
Perhaps there's no market. Japan has a huge music industry (if not the biggest? Or second biggest?), but I don't know if there's such an alternative indie niche available for EO.

Then again, Japanese music for example does tend to make good use of the morae in Japanese, which doesn't exist in EO. But given the fact they still force English words into the syllabic patterns of Japanese, I don't get why they can't do that for EO... Man, I feel like a robot stuck in a logic loop.

Evildela (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-28 13:45:30

ceigered:Perhaps there's no market.
Well that dosn't make any sense... as there is really no market for Esperanto anywhere except in Esperantujo - So to me Japanese esperantist's have as much a chance to 'make' money as say Brazilian Esperantist's

ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-28 14:50:51

Evildela:
ceigered:Perhaps there's no market.
Well that dosn't make any sense... as there is really no market for Esperanto anywhere except in Esperantujo - So to me Japanese esperantist's have as much a chance to 'make' money as say Brazilian Esperantist's
Yeah but if you look at say Europe or Indonesia, there's a MASSIVE indie scene going on there, especially where more obscure cultures are concerned. Japan is quite homogenous when compared to the west, and pop music there, from my experiences, has a much stronger presence over the (slightly more) varied version of popular music in the west. Basically Japanese pop culture is very strong compared to equivalents in other countries (although I guess that shouldn't be taken out of proportion), thus taking the attention away from alternative cultural topics like Esperanto.

Where as here in the west, indie/alternative niche culture etc is sort of fused with pop culture ("its cool to be a geek").

That said, I've seen very Esperantic looking pseudo-latin phrases/names in Japanese anime before, like the cover of "The Place Promised in Our Early Days" has the name "Bela Ĉielo" (even with the hat!). Maybe it could be said that Japanese pop culture is inclusive of such niche things but ultimate domineers them?

Doesn't really account for China though at all, except maybe communism plays a part in things (e.g. market control etc, indie music doesn't really fit into all that)?

Then again, perhaps it's not that Asia's strangely avoiding the EO music scene, but only a small amount of the world is producing the music (and they're the strange ones lol). A lot of Esperanto music seems to come from romance language speaking countries and eastern europe (which have a similar sound set to EO), persone(?) was from Sweden (which has a strong interlingua movement from what I've seen). I need someone with more experience to help here (I've only really scrolled through Vinilkosmo a couple of times), but the trend seems to be that countries with languages similar in some aspects phonologically to Esperanto, and countries interested in IALs, seem to be the prime producers of EO music.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-28 14:57:16

Asia as a whole still has fewer Esperantists than Europe as a whole. A European Esperantist can form a band and write a song, and play at all of the European Esperanto gatherings (which happen frequently and in a limited geographic area where many, many languages are spoken). A Chinese Esperantist in many cases probably doesn't have money to travel abroad and will likely seldom meet an Esperantist who isn't Chinese. Esperanto events will be spread over a MUCH larger geographical area. And if everyone there is Chinese, what is the incentive to speak Esperanto together rather than Chinese? It depends on the culture of the country; mainly Esperanto is spoken at US Esperanto gatherings, but I have heard that at Japanese Esperanto gatherings, people mainly speak Japanese. I don't know if this is true. So if you don't have very many outlets where you can play your music, almost every Esperantist you know also speaks your native language (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, whatever), and you can't travel very far to play to a different group, what is the incentive to start your own Esperanto group? It isn't limited to Asia, either. How many American Esperanto bands can anyone name? .... ....... .........? I'll make it easier, how many *North American* Esperanto musicians can anyone name? The most I have seen is an Esperanto speaker who plays with a non-Esperanto musical group, who has translated one or two songs into Esperanto that they play at Esperanto gatherings. I have seen this several times. It has never gone to the point of releasing a whole CD in Esperanto.

In this respect I think Brazil is an outlier. And perhaps it has a density of Esperantists that encourages the formation of music groups, a density that is lacking in Asia and in the US.

Evildela (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-29 05:14:16

Well that's mildly disappointing, because I soooo would pay for Esperanto music out of Asia, as I want to listen to some Esperanto music with an Asian perspective, both grammatically and phonetically. Even Australia produced Waltzing Matilda in Esperanto! Though that's nothing special lango.gif

ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-29 05:40:48

Evildela:Well that's mildly disappointing, because I soooo would pay for Esperanto music out of Asia, as I want to listen to some Esperanto music with an Asian perspective, both grammatically and phonetically. Even Australia produced Waltzing Matilda in Esperanto! Though that's nothing special lango.gif
Haha sounds like us just wanting to share our "burning patriotism" with the world lango.gif. I too would like Asian EO music, I love that nice touch coming from Eastern musicians... Strangely reminds me of Irish music in a way, with the mixture of tradition with modern elements....

Evildela (Montri la profilon) 2011-januaro-29 05:46:27

As a result of that I now say to my esperanto mate ALL the time stuff like. "Mi tre baldaŭ revenos, mi devas valsigi vendejojn" He apparently now hates the verb valsigi...

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