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longest Esperanto word

de etala, 24 de enero de 2011

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Idioma: English

Miland (Mostrar perfil) 24 de enero de 2011 17:48:46

ceigered:Ekstertekstprilaborilularanindkunvenejetegmanierismo (52 letters)
Could this be the theory of setting up conference centres suitable for those worthy of joining a group of executives, who leave (being "ekster") word processing to others?

klnptrs78 (Mostrar perfil) 25 de enero de 2011 06:54:36

I agree. I did not mean to imply that humor and artistic are immoral at all. It looks like we basically agree. rideto.gif

klnptrs78 (Mostrar perfil) 25 de enero de 2011 06:58:54

Maybe it would be good to have some words as part of the Esperanto core and others designated as for artistic usage. I'll have to look at my new English/Esperanto/English dictionary and see how it makes definitions and I suppose I ought to find an Esperanto, to Esperanto dictionary, and wouldn't it be ideal for me to have translations of the definitions, too?

klnptrs78 (Mostrar perfil) 25 de enero de 2011 07:12:08

I think the words are curious, but an extremely long word is probly better as more than one word or a phrase. Just imagine a long conversation where someone has to use the word in every sentence and clause, rido.gif breathing might become an issue, too. If we look at it from the point of sentence tree diagramming like in English, what would a tree look like if each word represented some twigs with a blossom if one of the blossoms was just about as big as the canopy of the entire tree. The tree might topple over with the root system unable to support it. I suppose that's a pretty silly example, senkulpa.gif but in the past many would see it as a mark of intelligence to know and use a large variety of large words and writing long things was impressive. Some seem to not be able to get out of that fad. Fortunately at least we've gotten away from some academically endowed people thinking they could actually learn everything there is to know. Now, it's more impressive to have optimal communication. {I'm also not bashing the discussion, but sleepily just having fun philosophising about language uses.}So it might be good think how could such words be expressed clearly with either with nouns and adjectives, phrases or sentences.

fizikisto (Mostrar perfil) 25 de enero de 2011 07:49:28

You could search in www.tekstaro.com using the search string
LI{20,50} (preceded by a backslash)
in order to find words with at least 20 letters.

Some results:

Esperantoorganizaĵoj
elektroencefalografio
kompostaĵkontrolisto
ŝtatimpostadministradon
termoelektrocentraloj
Okcidenteŭropcentrisma
Esperantorenkontiĝejoj

ceigered (Mostrar perfil) 25 de enero de 2011 09:32:41

Miland:
ceigered:Ekstertekstprilaborilularanindkunvenejetegmanierismo (52 letters)
Could this be the theory of setting up conference centres suitable for those worthy of joining a group of executives, who leave (being "ekster") word processing to others?
It's meaning from what I've been able to refine:

The doctrine of manners relating being outside of extremely small assembly places worthy of word processor fellows (users, developers, etc).

But outsourced word processing sounds equally as possible lango.gif. (or those who have an association with word processors while being outside of something demando.gif). Not to mention manierismo correlates to both a doctrine of manners and a European art style according to Vikipedio.

@Klnptrs78
I like that analogy (of the tree branch/root system giving out).

Mustelvulpo (Mostrar perfil) 25 de enero de 2011 22:09:59

Combining roots to make compound words is a good feature of Esperanto, but I think some people tend to overdo it.

I recall from psychology classes that people most efficiently mentally process information in blocks of up to seven individual items. Based on that theory, as compounds attain more than 14 letters, they would become increasingly confusing. If a compound would be overly long, it might be a good idea to consider hyphenating it or wording it differently. If the reader must pause and puzzle out words, communication is lost.

I recall when i was beginning to study Esperanto. i came across the word "pasaĝerelirejo." I managed to figure it out but it seems to me that "pasaĝer-elirejo" is much more understandable and "elirejo por pasaĝeroj" is even more so.

Matthieu (Mostrar perfil) 26 de enero de 2011 00:18:46

I've already thought of okcidentslavlingvoparolantoj (speakers of West Slavic languages, 28 letters).

The word anticonstitutionnellement (anticonstitutionally, 25 letters, quite long in English too) is said to be the longest French word, but it's shorter in Esperanto (kontraŭkonstitucie).

klnptrs78 (Mostrar perfil) 26 de enero de 2011 06:59:17

This reminds me of someone I knew that could make convincing sounding paragraphs that actually made no sense at all on purpose. I am not meaning to say that the participants are not making sense, but I suppose I agree with the notion of keeping things simple. It does appear that the longer words are simply combinations of roots, adjectives, prefixes and suffixes. Each part of the word with a root could be used as a seperate word, just as well. Here many enjoy a classic movie called Mary Poppins played by Julie Andrews and one of her most popular songs for the family is called "supercalifregilisticexpialidocious" if I spelled that right and in Spanish, I believe it's "supercalifregelisticoexpialidoso", and quite frankly the song is funny as people do tend to put on airs using large words just to impress others as in either language just as someone just mentioned the words have so much in them even more than 7 sections that it simple doesn't seem to reflect meaning other than starting with super and sounding like a way to say something is very good in a rare way. Very good in a rare way, is so much easier to understand.

Now, I suppose comparing these sorts of words to the classic children's fable of The Emporer's New Clothes would not be entirely fair. the story reflects the gullibility of toxed up rich folks and royals that can be easily moved to believe that their fancy clothes are very nice looking. Many to this day are so toxed up and have lost family quality time from the crib on, to have little perspective or consciousness about typical common sense values, become impressed with vanities instead of seeig through things to see that they're really taxing themselves highly and not making the birthday suit that they were born with really look all that more appealiing at all, and making it virtually impossible to get any practical work done, and then, actually look down on the more responsible people in society who get their personal things done like mature well behaved adults. Here instead of clothes some pepper their conversation and writings with long unnecessarily fancy words and sentences. Then, the utility of the language is for the most part lost, just like the utility of overly vane clothing is a shameful waste.

In another movie the people from a very healthy culture of the time are depicted, and they are he braves and Pocahontas who look great with their healthy bodies that they've been using and they've been eating much healthier sorts of meals than most of the Europeans who have survived famane, plagues, horrible wars and broken families and the typical trouble about when most become in charge and/or become wealthy then, they ruin it by falling for vices. < sal.gif Notice this horribly long sentence.
I think these fun contrasts are sort of like it is fun to dress for a party or occasion now and then, and it sort of emphasizes the need for straight forward communication when the call arises.

ceigered (Mostrar perfil) 26 de enero de 2011 08:19:36

Mustelvulpo:I recall from psychology classes that people most efficiently mentally process information in blocks of up to seven individual items. Based on that theory, as compounds attain more than 14 letters, they would become increasingly confusing. If a compound would be overly long, it might be a good idea to consider hyphenating it or wording it differently. If the reader must pause and puzzle out words, communication is loat.
If you don't mind me doing so, I've made a screenshot of this entire post and put it in a psychology notes folder so I can remember to look into this - interesting stuff!

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