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Ali

virololo,2011年4月15日の

メッセージ: 18

言語: English

virololo (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 19:34:00

What are your opinions on using ali lokon instead of iri al loko?

ekz. Mi alas kolegion.

I know iri lokon is a bit old-fashioned, but I need to cut syllables.
My issue with the verb al/i is that is doesn't really say what you're doing al something.

What d'you think?

[EDIT: How would you understand it in a context that lead you to understand that it meant i]iri[/i]?]
Lloyd

Miland (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 20:08:42

I would use iri lokon if you want to reduce the number of syllables.

darkweasel (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 20:10:44

Miland:and being there
Uh, al has a meaning of "being somewhere"?

RiotNrrd (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 20:19:36

virololo:I know iri lokon is a bit old-fashioned, but I need to cut syllables.
How come? Did the price go up?

darkweasel (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 20:29:03

RiotNrrd:
virololo:I know iri lokon is a bit old-fashioned, but I need to cut syllables.
How come? Did the price go up?
I suppose it's for writing a poem or song.

Frankouche (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 21:53:17

Why don't you say "mi aliras lokon" ?

virololo (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 22:18:33

The lernu Eo-Eo dictionary gives the following.
[direkto] (li iras al la urbo; ŝi skribis al mi; mi donas tion al vi)
ReVo also talks about direction.

Personally, I think it works.
What else can you reasonably understand from it?
Why don't you say "mi aliras lokon" ?
Mi aliras lokon & mi iras al loko both have the same number of syllables.

(EDIT: Granted, I can play around with where the stress falls, so that might fit, but I still want to know if using ali is defensible.)

Lloyd

marcuscf (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月15日 23:27:57

When you said "ali lokon", i thought you meant "aliloke"...

If you say "alas", i think it's unambiguous, but i don't see how it would be shorter than "iras". I don't think the accusative with "iras" would be a problem, especially if you are considering something as unconventional as "alas" as an alternative.

RiotNrrd (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月16日 1:50:20

darkweasel:I suppose it's for writing a poem or song.
That didn't occur to me. Makes sense.

erinja (プロフィールを表示) 2011年4月16日 2:25:46

Technically you could say "ali" the same way that you can say "peri" and "eki".

...but it would be up to the esperantistaro to decide the meaning of "ali". Ali is ok but you would risk being misunderstood, depending on how you used the word.

I wouldn't use 'ali' in everyday speech (at least not until it was already in common use) but in a poem or song, sure, why not? As long as context makes the meaning clear.

And if you said "mi alas kolegion", I think most people would understand that you are going in the direction of a college. If you mean to say that you go to college, like you study at a university, then in that case you would say "Mi studas ĉe universitato". "I go to class" (as in attend a class) would be "Mi ĉeestas kurson". So "go" doesn't always translate into Esperanto as "iri", and the preposition used isn't always "al". "Go" has a lot of idiomatic English meanings that have widely varying translations in Esperanto, so you have to be careful with it.

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