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T0dd (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-09 13:05:19
My Esperanto isn't as robust as I'd like it to be, but I don't consider myself an eterna komencanto either.
In the study of any foreign language one hits a vocabulary plateau when the most common and semi-common words have been learned. It takes hard work to expand the vocabulary beyond that, since less commonly used words are easily forgotten. In Esperanto, things are somewhat easier due to the possibilities of word-formation, but fluency still requires learning lots of words.
The best way to learn lots of words is to need them and use them, and that's where the scarcity of speakers becomes a problem.
paulopolo (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-09 17:38:30
"What I experienced onsite (Munich) at Esperanto and English Stammtischen: Having the same interest for some foreign language isn't enough coming together motivation.
Participating people also have to have conjointly interests.
So in my opinion finding the right mix of language proviciency and non-language related interests/hobbies is the leveling rule (=reaching relaxed ambience) for regular ongoing language conversation meetings.
Even more(!!!) I would say that the hobby has to be listed at first priority and (Esperanto) language training at second priority for that regarding meeting."
Learn it by heart, all of you.
Thanks for this text qwertz
qwertz (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-09 18:12:26
It just drives me crazy coming to a language stammtisch onsite in Munich and find a clenched communication ambience there which doesn't become loose. There must be a solution for that. paulopolo (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-09 20:01:42
qwertz:ne dankinde, paulopoloI've got the same feeling in my club. Your solution is similar to mine. You know, we even didn't introduce ourself at the very beginning. Introduce I mean not to say our names but to say some words about our hobbys, interests, studies, work and so on. We've got saluton!, then grammar,then ĝis!, and that's it. It should be something more than just plain language lesson. Integration that's the key word for me, for esperanto's future.
Yes, we can
? qwertz (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-09 20:14:03
paulopolo (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-09 20:27:38
qwertz:Kompreneble, ni kapabliĝas/ Of course, we will figure that out.Lets push things forward
!!! 
biguglydave (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-10 00:42:38
ceigered:"In Esperantujo, there's the polyglots who don't need Esperanto, the monolingual eternal beginners who can't figure out how to speak it, and then everyone else who's wondering why both of those prior mention groups are being used to represent EOujo as a whole"No, I don't think that the thread title is a fair comment. I think ceigered's comment above comes closer to what I have experienced, and expresses the missing component; everybody in the middle. His statement (although I don't know if it's his quote or someone else's) more closely reflects my experience so far. Also, a lot of the self-proclaimed eternaj komencantoj that I have met at Lernu just have less self-confidence than experience.
P.S. Hey, Sudanglo, this would have been a great poll!
ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-10 03:56:41
biguglydave:His statement (although I don't know if it's his quote or someone else's)I have a terrible habit of thinking I've said something original and realising that someone's already said that, or that I've subconsciously heard it in what I consider "the background" without realising and blurted it out like it's my own idea
So who knows...paulopolo: It should be something more than just plain language lesson. Integration that's the key word for me, for esperanto's future.Mi samopinias, but with all language classes/meetings. Classes where you don't feel like you and the teacher/classmates/other participants are on the same wavelength feel like such a drag, so much so that I wish I had done maths instead of languages - and I hate (complex) maths!
Yes, we can
qwertz (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-10 07:09:53
ceigered:Ha, ha, "feel same wavelenght" for that matter is used in English language, too? In German feeling like don't finding commons is expressed "auf der gleichen Wellenlänge sein/be at same wavelength/feel same wavelenght" or the opposite "die Chemie stimmt nicht/the chemistry isn't the right one/don't have same chemistry"
paulopolo: It should be something more than just plain language lesson. Integration that's the key word for me, for esperanto's future.Mi samopinias, but with all language classes/meetings. Classes where you don't feel like you and the teacher/classmates/other participants are on the same wavelength feel like such a drag, so much so that I wish I had done maths instead of languages - and I hate (complex) maths!
Yes, we can
Btw. can you put that in words what in detail make you feel that cramped classroom situation contains people which don't feel same wavelength? Is it a shortfall of the moderator/teacher etc.?
What ideas do you have to integrate E-o newbies more better into a excisting club? How other non-Eo clubs integrate newbies into their clubs? The next time I will visit the local Toastmaster club and take a look how they are doing that. Maybe that gives me some more ideas.
paulopolo (Montri la profilon) 2011-majo-10 08:28:55
) is:common food
common drinking of alcohol
common aim
common knowledge/acquaintanceship about themselves, I mean that members know each other(habits, needs, hobbies, angles).
common activities(playing paintball for example
)also feeling of community(in general) and self worth/ self esteem.
common discussions/debates
common common common
Ps. for sure not common learning of grammar