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貼文者: Leke, 2011年7月7日

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語言: English

Leke (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日上午7:34:46

I had difficulty with translating "those kinds of" in a sentence.

tiuj -- those
tia -- that kind of

I don't like those kinds of flowers.

Mi ne ŝatas tiajn florojn -- I don't like these kinds of things (is that right?).

Is there a difference with these and those?

Thanks.

Miland (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日上午9:10:30

Leke: I don't like these kinds of things.
That should be Mi ne ŝatas ĉi tiajn aĵojn.

Leke:Is there a difference with these and those?
"These" is ĉi tiuj, while "those" is tiuj.

Leke (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日下午1:38:03

Miland:
Leke: I don't like these kinds of things.
That should be Mi ne ŝatas ĉi tiajn aĵojn.
Whoops, I have no idea why I said "things" in that sentence. I should have said "flowers" senkulpa.gif
Anyway, thanks for the translation/correction.

Edit: So...
Mi ne ŝatas tiajn florojn -- I don't like those flowers (but also, I don't like those kinds of flowers (?))

Miland (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日下午2:36:38

Leke:Mi ne ŝatas tiajn florojn -- I don't like those kinds of flowers (?)
Yes.

However, "I don't like those flowers" (just those particular ones, without specifying that it was their type that you found objectionable) would be Mi ne ŝatas tiujn florojn, while "I don't like these flowers" (these particular ones) would be Mi ne ŝatas ĉi tiujn florojn.

erinja (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日下午4:20:06

Mi ne ŝatas tiajn florojn would have a meaning like "I don't like that kind of flowers"

If you mean that you don't like those flowers specifically, it would have to be Mi ne ŝatas tiujn florojn

Leke (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日下午5:54:09

erinja:Mi ne ŝatas tiajn florojn would have a meaning like "I don't like that kind of flowers"

If you mean that you don't like those flowers specifically, it would have to be Mi ne ŝatas tiujn florojn
Would...
Mi ne ŝatas tian ĉemizon -- I don't like that kind of shirt (relating to the style/design for example?)
...be ok? How does Esperanto handle plural in this respect?

erinja (顯示個人資料) 2011年7月7日下午6:19:50

Leke:Would...
Mi ne ŝatas tian ĉemizon -- I don't like that kind of shirt (relating to the style/design for example?)
...be ok? How does Esperanto handle plural in this respect?
Yes, you can definitely say that.

You don't like that one kind of shirt.

If you said "Mi ne ŝatas tiajn ĉemizojn", pointing at one shirt, it would sound strange but it would be understood that you don't like plural shirts that look like this one shirt that you're pointing at.

But if you said "Mi ne ŝatas tiajn ĉemizojn" when pointing at more than one shirt, then it means that you don't like any of those kinds of shirts; you don't like multiple kinds of shirts, which are represented by the different shirts you are pointing at.

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