razlem:It can't be classified with them..

I didn't say that it could. I was talking about the fact and usefulness of the isolating facility. But I am glad that you agree that Esperanto cannot be classified with European languages.

razlem:Preparation only for European languages. I said before, it's coincidence that EO and Chinese have isolating features

Your second statement here contradicts the first; the isolating feature makes Esperanto more learnable for speakers of languages with an isolating feature.

razlem:What an elitist excuse..

It is a statement of fact, that there exists already such a preparation for Esperanto in the majority of human minds.

Miland:I didn't say that it could. I was talking about the fact and usefulness of the isolating facility. But I am glad that you agree that Esperanto cannot be classified with European languages.

It can not be classified with any natural language, but it was influenced completely by European languages, bringing us back to the fact that Europeans have an advantage over non-Europeans.

Miland:Your second statement here contradicts the first; the isolating feature makes Esperanto more learnable for speakers of languages with an isolating feature.

Since every language has an isolating feature, the preparation moves up to the middle and extrinsic levels. In terms of European preparation I was referring to the vocabulary. Read the comments in the link that Chainy provided and see what really presents a problem for Chinese speakers.

Miland:It is a statement of fact, that there exists already such a preparation for Esperanto in the majority of human minds.

There's also preparation for English, Chinese, Spanish, and every other language in the world.

Concerning the discussion about country names:
La sufiksaĉo -i
landaj substantivoj
La landnoma sufikso -ujo en instruado
Please read these and, if you want, we can continue the discussion behind the first or second link. I think they respond very well to some of the arguments given here.

EOD from my side at least in this thread.

razlem:Europeans have an advantage over non-Europeans.

As a non-European, I choose to be philosophical about it.

razlem:.. a problem for Chinese speakers..

The Chinese seem more enthusiastic in supporting Esperanto on the level of government than the Americans, I believe.

razlem:There's also preparation for English, Chinese, Spanish..

But Esperanto is designed to be easier. There's the advantage.

darkweasel:Concerning the discussion about country names:
La sufiksaĉo -i
landaj substantivoj
La landnoma sufikso -ujo en instruado
Please read these and, if you want, we can continue the discussion behind the first or second link. I think they respond very well to some of the arguments given here.

EOD from my side at least in this thread.

Same old stuff. I was pleased to see in the discussion pointed to in your second link that http://www.bonalingvo.it/ is now defunct. Hopefully the fundamentalist proselytising by the ujoistoj will now die down, and Esperanto can be influenced by the attitudes of the 21st century instead of the 19th.

EOD from my side too.

EdRobertson:http://www.bonalingvo.it/ is now defunct.

No, it has been moved.

Miland:As a non-European, I choose to be philosophical about it.

Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?

Miland:The Chinese seem more enthusiastic in supporting Esperanto on the level of government than the Americans, I believe.

Don't even get me started on American government. But I don't know about the Chinese being so linguistically liberal- they don't even allow foreign acronyms...

Miland:But Esperanto is designed to be easier. There's the advantage.

I've seen many other constructed IALs, some easier and more neutral than Esperanto. Would these not be better choices for non-Europeans? (Playing the devil's advocate here).

So back on topic, I'm sticking with the music idea for the promotion of Esperanto. Someone just needs to write a hit song and you're set.

razlem:
So back on topic, I'm sticking with the music idea for the promotion of Esperanto. Someone just needs to write a hit song and you're set.

Yes, I agree. Espo music could be a very strong promotion. But the current Espo community neither knows the own music very well nor support that a lot. Apart Vinilkosmo (FESTO; KEF) I also never heard of any music promotion of Esperanto organisations*. Take a look at the informletero Novembro 2010 : Informletero de Vinilkosmo n-ro 28 > "Vinilkosmo dudekjara".

Hopefully karaoke can fix that somewhat. At least karaoke is at the "standard" culture program of some junulara renkontiĝon.

*I.e. Could be an good idea to donate legal Espo-Music copies to public libraries or local DJ's.

razlem:Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm an Indian-born British citizen.

razlem:I don't know about the Chinese being so linguistically liberal

Liberal they are not, certainly not politically. But they do support Esperanto.

razlem:I've seen many other constructed IALs..

Having read a little about them, I don't believe any can excel Esperanto. None have been tested and revised before publication as well as Zamenhof did Esperanto. None have been as successful. As for playing the devil's advocate - the only thing that might convince me would be an AIL that succeeded as well as E-o on its own, by merit, just as E-o did.

Miland:Having read a little about them, I don't believe any can excel Esperanto. None have been tested and revised before publication as well as Zamenhof did Esperanto. None have been as successful. As for playing the devil's advocate - the only thing that might convince me would be an AIL that succeeded as well as E-o on its own, by merit, just as E-o did.

Well Esperanto technically hasn't been "successful" either, has it? A lot really hinges on what people perceive as success.

I won't argue against the point that Esperanto has a good amount of speakers to talk to though (which I see as a good feature of Esperanto, not a criticism of other languages).