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VolitiveGibbon (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 16:49:24
How do you know when to use the word "urben", as in the phrase, "Ili vojagis per buso urben," as opposed to the phrase, "a la urbo," as in the phrase, "C^u vi volas kuniri a la urbo?"?
Also, why does "urben" use the adverbial suffix -e and the accusative suffix -n? Or is -en a suffix that I'm not familiar with?
darkweasel (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 18:20:43
VolitiveGibbon:Both mean the same thing, but it's al la urbo.
How do you know when to use the word "urben", as in the phrase, "Ili vojagis per buso urben," as opposed to the phrase, "a la urbo," as in the phrase, "C^u vi volas kuniri a la urbo?"?
VolitiveGibbon:Also, why does "urben" use the adverbial suffix -e and the accusative suffix -n? Or is -en a suffix that I'm not familiar with?urbe = in the town
urben = to the town
It is indeed an accusative suffix added to an adverb - which indicates direction.
VolitiveGibbon (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 19:04:48
Polaris (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 19:08:17
VolitiveGibbon:I was going through the puzzle exercise, and I've run into a couple confusing points.It is very common in Esperanto to substitute an adverb (ending with "n") for prepositional phrases that act as adverbs. The longer you use Esperanto, the more this will seem natural to you. For now, just prepare yourself to accept the fact that you're going to see A LOT of adverbs in Esperanto in places where we, as English speakers, would use a prepositional phrase in our own language.
How do you know when to use the word "urben", as in the phrase, "Ili vojagis per buso urben," as opposed to the phrase, "a la urbo," as in the phrase, "C^u vi volas kuniri a la urbo?"?
Also, why does "urben" use the adverbial suffix -e and the accusative suffix -n? Or is -en a suffix that I'm not familiar with?
Secondly, the letter "n" is often used to indicate "direction towards". It substitutes for an omitted preposition. Since the phrase in question involves the subjects traveling inTO the city by bus (as opposed to traveling around in the city by bus), the "n" is needed.
darkweasel (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 19:09:41
VolitiveGibbon:Ahhhh, okay. Dankon. One more question. If both urben and al la urbo mean the same thing, are they interchangeable in the same situation? e.g., I could say "Ili vojagis per buso urben," AND "Ili cojagis per buso al la urbo."?Yes. But it's vojaĝi.
VolitiveGibbon (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 22:15:25
darkweasel:Darn. I keep typing too quickly haha. Plus, I just started Esperanto yesterday. Still, though, the question stands. Are they interchangeable?VolitiveGibbon:Ahhhh, okay. Dankon. One more question. If both urben and al la urbo mean the same thing, are they interchangeable in the same situation? e.g., I could say "Ili vojagis per buso urben," AND "Ili cojagis per buso al la urbo."?Yes. But it's vojaĝi.
RiotNrrd (Visa profilen) 27 juli 2011 22:53:19
Miland (Visa profilen) 28 juli 2011 06:34:37
VolitiveGibbon (Visa profilen) 28 juli 2011 13:38:46
Miland:I might be more likely myself to use urben to indicate "towards town" or "town-wards", even if a given movement or road didn't get there. I might be more likely to use al la urbo for some movement or road that actually got there. To convey the potential incompleteness with al I could use cele al la urbo. But you can use al for "towards", so I wouldn't make too much of this.That makes sense. I get it now. Thank you.