darkweasel:

You are wrong. It is the very topic concerning spreading of the Esperanto. And finding ways to overcome this might help to build a better mousetrap that works worldwide.

geo, that's enough.

The topic of this thread is ways to promote Esperanto. We are not talking about the English language or English-speaking people here, we are talking about Esperanto. If you would like to talk about a topic other than promotion of Esperanto, please start a new thread.

This site's terms of service prohibit disparaging of ethnic, national, or linguistic groups. If you would like to complain about English speakers, please don't do it on this site. It doesn't matter whether it's directed against members of this site or against "those other" English speakers. It isn't acceptable. I suggest that you edit your post, or I will delete it.

erinja:geo, that's enough.

The topic of this thread is ways to promote Esperanto. We are not talking about the English language or English-speaking people here, we are talking about Esperanto. If you would like to talk about a topic other than promotion of Esperanto, please start a new thread.

And what am I talking about - about the sand on Mars. Please read what I wrote. This is all about esperanto and its promotion. If you can't understand that, then really there is nothning here for me to do.

So I say - let the English think whatever they like. They are only 5%. Let the rest, 95%, decide. That is all. That is the democracy, not some hegemony. If that is silly, then what is wise? A dictatorship? Is that what you promote?

Unfortunately it appears Geo's gone (for now?), which I'm actually quite sad about despite seemingly competitive nature of this thread

Alas, I think it's important to add that we also have a right to democracy, and we have a right to an opinion, just as anyone else of any language has, not to mention this is an English-language forum board right here. You put in your suggestion, we put in our concerns, you put in your justification for why you think XYZ idea works well, and so on until someone with new ideas/reasons/concerns comes or we figure out a compromise.

This seems to be a forum-wide problem, where the English, because they "already think they run the world", aren't allowed to have any say, but I humbly ask non-English speakers to stop regarding us as somehow more special or unique or diverged or alien - English is a very un-unique language, our way of thinking is very un-unique and very inspired from other peoples, we're not some special, backwards/upside-down/creative thinking race of strangelings

In fact, I think the only real differences in the way various language groups here think is more "(West/Central) European" vs. "Non-european", and even then there's only minor differences that are normally things like political-correctness etc.

Anyway getting back on topic, how about "rapidlerna lingvo", building on Geo's idea before things went god-knows-where?

(Ironically, it could also be "rapidlerta lingvo", yeah? )

darkweasel:

qwertz: Maybe an special Peacemaking- button at the new lernu.net system could be useful to solve that.

Do forum users really need somebody who sorts out their personal differences? I thought we were all mature enough not to need that. I don’t see the point - if a message breaks the forum/site rules, use the spam report button, if it doesn’t, there’s no reason for a team member to do anything.

Em, I did not write something about any active involvement of some moderator, isn't? At my 1th proposal above, the forum moderator only gets an carbidcopy/ CC message. At my 2nd proposal below I removed the initial CC message feature.

Donniedillon:

qwertz:Maybe an special Peacemaking- button at the new lernu.net system could be useful to solve that.

...OR...users could simply show each other civility and respect thus negating the need for such a button.

Whose ones civility? Civility depends at someones cultural background, isn't? I see, that actualy there excist no world-wide unique understanding of the concept of civility (and the concept of democracy, too.) There's an high probability that someones belief of civility doesn't meet the belief of civility of someones who holds another cultural background. Every communcation trouble has an cause, which is worth to find out. Sometimes an third person can be helpfull during that. But often the two involved persons find out by themselves. That's why I proposed that Peacemaking-button use case.

Peacemaking Use case (2nd proposal): Farin feels offended by phrase XYZ made by Mike.

Aim: Moving of offending communication from public forum space into private space problem solving (= private two person peacemaking). Minimizing of administration efforts during that process.

Farin presses the "Peacemaking"-button (, which is different to "Report Spam"-button intention)

An "action required" message appears i.e. "Please now mark the detailed phrase made by Mike you feel offended"

"Add an description why you feel offended"

Press the "send" button.

The marked phrase will be copied into the "peacekeeping"-request which will be sent to Mike (only). and the forum administration. Mike gets an friendly message to think about its comment which did feel Farin offended. Maybe that way:

"Hello Mike, Lernu.net user Farin felt offended by the comment XYZ you made here (link). That could be part of different culture beliefs between you and Mike. Please try to clarify that communication conflict via private message conversation between you and Farin. Starting by now the regarding comment of you will be only visible for you and Farin. Other forum user will not see the regarding comment the next 30 days. After that the regarding comment will be visible again to all lernu.net forum users. Thank you for peace making at lernu.net forum."

Inside the forum thread the regarding comment XYZ gets masked via an placeholder i.e. "Private peacemaking process between two users ongoing. Lernu.net forum administration is not involved at this issue. Original comment public visible in XX days./Original comment permanent masked due to violation of the forum rules. " Only the forum administration can see the original comment XYZ in clear text. Other users only see the placeholder which hides the comment XYZ.

Maybe, I repeat "maybe", after 30 days the administration gets an unlock/demask request message of comment XYZ, if the lernu.net systems automatically tries to switch the comment XYZ to public view again. That gives the administration the possiblity to use that Peacemaking facility inside a private conversation instead of at public like at the current lernu.net system. That masking instead of deleting is current practice at http://forum.ubuntuusers.de. They use their Wiki system for that masking of offending forum messages.

I see that 30 days a good time period to cool down.

That lernu.net-feature could be requested here.

The issue is how to find snappy ways of indicating what sort of beast Esperanto is, in English.

So 'rapidlingvo' isn't really helpful. The expressions 'fast language', 'express language' 'quick language' or 'instant language' don't seem to be useful.

Parodying an old TV advert here in the UK, why not say: 'Take 50 languages with you into the shower - No way, I use Esperanto'.

Or how about: 'Pack 50 languages into your holiday suitcase - No way, I travel with Esperanto'.

@ Qwetz, I like the idea of a masking system and also a temporary ban/restrictions system. Could go a long way towards encouraging people to either a) not hold a grudge against lernu (lol) or b) simply wait out the temp. ban rather than deleting their own account, or having their account deleted and returning under a different alias.

But that's a little off-topic now

darkweasel:Do forum users really need somebody who sorts out their personal differences? I thought we were all mature enough not to need that. I don’t see the point - if a message breaks the forum/site rules, use the spam report button, if it doesn’t, there’s no reason for a team member to do anything.

Rigid adherence to, well, anything does pretty much make things a lot less fun. As Donniedillon says, it'd be grand if people just respected eachother and got over stuff.

Anyway, did Geo get banned or leave himself?

ceigered:Anyway, did Geo get banned or leave himself?

I think that geo has learnt enough. After all he is not a beginner, so he doesn't need to be here. I know that he reads and posts on soc.­culture.­esperanto group under the name of Jerzy Wałaszek. He is the creator of one of the biggist computer science educational services for young people in Poland (thousands of programs in C++, Pascal, Basic - all kinds of computer knowledge). So esperanto seems to be just a small part of his interests. In his eduservice he runs also a small esperanto section. You can find him there:

http://edu.i-lo.tarnow.pl

I know of him, because I study computer science myself and he helped me A LOT with this eduservice.

Amike