qwertz:And I also would like see friendly co-existence of Interlingua, Ido and Esperanto community.

Not just those 3, but all interlanguages.

I also like how Interlingua sounds. It's definitely more fluid than Esperanto (which is why, I think, it's difficult to find good EO music).

razlem:
I also like how Interlingua sounds. It's definitely more fluid than Esperanto (which is why, I think, it's difficult to find good EO music).

Hhm, or at least singing nice sounding Esperanto needs much more efforts. Because of that sound "problem" I see Ido and Interlingua no way without any further community growing chance. If that communities had an special music production label like Esperanto has with Vinilkosmo, Interlingua and Ido would attract much more folks. Its not case of decline*, that most of English and Spanish language attractiveness comes/came of their huge pool of contemporary music.

*darned: What means German:"Es ist nicht von der Hand zu weisen" in English?

qwertz:
*darned: What means German:"Es ist nicht von der Hand zu weisen" in English?

I might say it cannot be denied (that) ....

@ Qwertz, I like your idea of unity and cooperation between the various International Auxiliary language groups. Ironically, that'd probably give a big boon to their attractiveness (each and every one of them) if their adherents can be shown to practice what they preach

Of course, representing each equally is a bit troublesome, as it's hard to put the very small Interlingua community next to the arguably slightly bigger Ido community next to the arguably much bigger EO community (assuming EO does in fact have many fans, which I'm inclined to believe given conference turnouts, there's got to be enough to populate some isuleto somewhere ). But at least promoting an air of cooperation and coexistence and even intermingling would do a few good things for each, especially Esperanto.

After all, it's capitalism. It's dangerous having a lone dominating product on the market with no real competition - partially since you have nothing to grade your product against, but also, from a more nationalistic point of view, because the more your target audience/adherents think your product/language pretty much constitutes the entire world, the more you risk schisms (people like to be unique, so if everyone feels unique because of the same reason, they're liable to want to break out of the box).

Not such a big problem for EO today, thanks to the development of EO culture which keeps people from becoming bored. But I still think keeping ourselves in the presence of, if not aligned with, our competition would help streamline the ecosystem. It'd give us more experience and understanding about the various other ideas about world language (e.g. Ido ceased being a language of reformers in 1914, Interlingua is not impossible, Lojban is..... probably not impossible, not that the textbooks would help to give that impression ). It'd give many adherents to competing ideas less of an excuse to slag us off if they know us a bit better, and see us as allies rather than imperialistic bumheads.

Who knows... might even be some converting But it might also work towards a better "language problem solution" than any one language idea could have worked towards.

Of course, the lack of presence of any non-European inspired language means even if the big 3 work together, the outcomes gonna be pretty similar to either of those 3 languages, if not just one of those 3 with the others "losing" (I'd dare say that if it wasn't for Ido going for strange ideas like the changed infinitive system, and trying to change the plurality and accusative system in such an Italian way, they would have come out the most grammatically neutral (e.g. nice blend between european, turkic, eastern languages grammar), rather than a frenchified Esperanto.)

Also @ Qwertz (I don't care about the rest of you joking!)

Nulle calma in Kalmar is a great example of Interlingua actually being used (zomg!), without simply reading of a page. Interesting are the comments on their youtube page, in interlingua there's a discussion that starts with some guy going "It's not international, it's European", the next guy agreeing, the next guy saying "No it's just Latin", and then they procede to talk about technical vocabulary etc.

So obviously these guys are all too aware that they're not speaking a "language of the entire world", which might be hard to reconcile with an EO viewpoint. Mmm....

Also, the Ido song you got was great, I liked it a lot. Great use of the rhythm and sound of Ido to complement the song! Am I to believe that it was actually at an Esperanto conference??

But man.. I'm thinking in English, Esperanto and Interlingua now, and I've got a Japanese test tomorrow... Uhoh!

Some people believe that if a language had features of all languages in the world then it would be "international". I would rather call it "mess". Such a language is hard for everyone, words are hardly familiar to anyone. So there is no sense to tall about this. Huh, English is international and doesn't have features of all languages in the world.

targanook:Some people believe that if a language had features of all languages in the world then it would be "international". I would rather call it "mess".

I agree, but none of the above languages possess such a mess... unless we're referring to a certain... "friend"... of Esperanto

Lai ba! Lerni Lidepla! Yur intelenesa ve pyu-granifi! Esperantistas es stupide manilubishe dogas!

(the above is a parody, obviously - although I don't think Lideplists are rude like that )

EDIT: Completely off-topic, although I guess I did get to this from a related link after watching some Lidepla stuff to hear what it actually sounded like (but it was in Russian anyway).
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ceigered:

targanook:Some people believe that if a language had features of all languages in the world then it would be "international". I would rather call it "mess".

I agree, but none of the above languages possess such a mess...

That's why they complain about them. I saw such project of a language with words from all languages, but I can't recall ist name. It look like real junk to me. I wonder why there are still people who construct such monsters. What is their aim? Do they really think that the main reason for esperanto to fail as an everyone's seccond language was its lack of "internationality" in its vocabulary? If all those efforts were directed on mastering and spreading esperanto, today it would be everyone' second. Such a waste of time and talents.

targanook:

ceigered:

targanook:Some people believe that if a language had features of all languages in the world then it would be "international". I would rather call it "mess".

I agree, but none of the above languages possess such a mess...

That's why they complain about them. I saw such project of a language with words from all languages, but I can't recall ist name. It look like real junk to me. I wonder why there are still people who construct such monsters. What is their aim? Do they really think that the main reason for esperanto to fail as an everyone's seccond language was its lack of "internationality" in its vocabulary?

I dunno why there's such a big obsession with getting large amount of arbitrarily snatched words and cooling it a language... I guess they hope non-linguists will learn it and not realise how strange the language is

Although sometimes I have respect for a conlang even if it does look a bit mix-and-match - for example, I have a soft side for Sambahsa, probably because the author has a real vision and direction for it rather than "KILL ESPERANTO!" (It's more an attempt to create a naturalistic indo-european language, rather than an IAL to my knowledge). And on the other hand, I read about something called Kotava today, which looks cool, despite the lack of learnability (I haven't tried though), because the author tried something original. Although it looks like Kotava is actually designed to compete against "the big 3" (Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua), but don't think it'll succeed despite the amount of work put into it.

And then there's the cute and easily usable Lingua Franca Nova, which has disappeared pretty much. I wish it hadn't, I mean, with Esperanto and Lingua Franca Nova working in tandem, all sorts of magic could have been possible

I think languages are like art - sometimes references to older pieces/inspirations are good, but sometimes it's hard to appreciate something if it just doesn't have that obscure, hard to categorise beauty about it.

targanook:I wonder why there are still people who construct such monsters. What is their aim? Do they really think that the main reason for esperanto to fail as an everyone's seccond language was its lack of "internationality" in its vocabulary?

Not just the vocabulary, but the grammar and semantics as well (and for me specifically, the sound and look of Esperanto wasn't appealing).

And I know what yall mean when you say the intl ones look like junk. Many of them don't consider phonaesthetics to be important (in regards to consonant clusters and vowel harmony). I addressed this in my own project, trying to emulate natural euphonic languages like Maori/Hawaiian.