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de jrhowa, 5 octombrie 2011

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jrhowa (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 18:33:42

It seems to me that these two affixes have similar uses. What differences are there between the two?

On a related note, is there commonly used E-o translation for 'pornography'?

darkweasel (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 18:41:38

jrhowa:It seems to me that these two affixes have similar uses. What differences are there between the two?
PMEG: Fi

Prefikseca fi kaj la sufikso AĈ estas similaj. Fi estas pli subjektiva. Ĝi esprimas indignon kaj malŝaton. AĈ estas pli objektiva. Ĝi montras maltaŭgecon kaj malbonan kvaliton. En la frua tempo, antaŭ ol AĈ aperis en la lingvo, prefikseca fi estis uzata en ambaŭ signifoj.
Translation: "Fi used as a prefix and the suffix -aĉ are similar. Fi is more subjective. It expresses indignation and dislike. -aĉ is more objective. It shows unsuitability and bad quality. In early times, before -aĉ appeared in the language, fi used as a prefix was used in both meanings."

jrhowa:On a related note, is there commonly used E-o translation for 'pornography'?
That is pornografio.

erinja (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 18:44:33

pornography is "pornografio"

fi- means immoral, shameful
-aĉ- means bad in quality

So one person might say "tio estas fipornografio" (that's dirty/shameful pornography), because this person thinks pornography is immoral.

Another person might say "tio estas pornografiaĉo" (that's pornography of bad quality), because this person generally likes pornography, but thinks that a specific work of pornography was done badly.

A "domaĉo" would be a house of poor quality, like a shack or a hovel.

A "fidomo" would be a house of shame. Maybe a brothel or another kind of house that would be shameful for some reason. [though "ĉiesulinejo" is the specific word I'd use for a brothel, personally]

jrhowa (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 18:50:15

Excellent responses, thank you both. Somehow I had mixed the two up; I thought they were the other way around. It's nice to be corrected.

pikolas (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 20:01:33

erinja:[though "ĉiesulinejo" is the specific word I'd use for a brothel, personally]
Isn't that a bit ofensive? The term ĉiesulino itself is somewhat charged with prejudice in its radicals.

Perhaps a more politically correct way of speaking of a prostitute and a brothel would be, respectively, prostituiistino and prostituiejo or prostituiistinejo, ĉu ne?

Although they do seem impractically long.

darkweasel (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 20:04:56

pikolas:prostituiistino and prostituiejo or prostituiistinejo
You have an "i" too much in all of these words, and as far as I know the formal term is prostituito (add -in if you think you need it).

erinja (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 23:14:48

pikolas:Isn't that a bit ofensive? The term ĉiesulino itself is somewhat charged with prejudice in its radicals.
How so?

And would "ĉiesulo" also be offensive to you?

patrik (Arată profil) 5 octombrie 2011, 23:33:14

pikolas:
erinja:[though "ĉiesulinejo" is the specific word I'd use for a brothel, personally]
Isn't that a bit ofensive? The term ĉiesulino itself is somewhat charged with prejudice in its radicals.

Perhaps a more politically correct way of speaking of a prostitute and a brothel would be, respectively, prostituiistino and prostituiejo or prostituiistinejo, ĉu ne?

Although they do seem impractically long.
Political correctness in Esperanto? Oh, great. senkulpa.gif

pikolas (Arată profil) 6 octombrie 2011, 03:39:56

erinja:
pikolas:Isn't that a bit ofensive? The term ĉiesulino itself is somewhat charged with prejudice in its radicals.
How so?

And would "ĉiesulo" also be offensive to you?
It's the equivalent of "whore", wouldn't you agree?

sudanglo (Arată profil) 6 octombrie 2011, 10:38:39

I think ĉiesulino hovers between 'tart' and 'whore' in meaning, but perhaps without the full disapproving nuance of those two words. The politically correct term, nowadays, in English is 'sex-worker'.

For a brothel, you can also say 'bordelo'. 'Bordelestrino' could perhaps be a Madam.

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