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Esperanto Name for a Backsaw

de NJ Esperantist, 2012-marto-13

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komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-15 16:21:16

Admin: Let's keep this thread more or less on topic, ok? A little divergence is ok but the topic of this thread is an Esperanto name for a backsaw

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-16 17:42:52

Oh good, you saved me from writing about that horrific topic I sort of unintentionally was going into.

pdenisowski (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 01:17:29

sudanglo:The Esperanta Bildvortaro shows (page 127 no 51) such a saw and calls it a Bevel-segilo(I don't understand that) and also Fer-dorsa segilo.
I think "ferdorsa segilo" is closest : I use a backsaw fairly regularly and it's the stiffening component in on the top (non-cutting) edge of the saw that makes it unique.

Maybe a "rigiddorsa segilo" (although that's a mouthful).

Amike,

Paul

NJ Esperantist (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 16:09:58

pdenisowski:
sudanglo:The Esperanta Bildvortaro shows (page 127 no 51) such a saw and calls it a Bevel-segilo(I don't understand that) and also Fer-dorsa segilo.
I think "ferdorsa segilo" is closest : I use a backsaw fairly regularly and it's the stiffening component in on the top (non-cutting) edge of the saw that makes it unique.

Maybe a "rigiddorsa segilo" (although that's a mouthful).

Amike,

Paul
Paul, I think you fell into the same trap that always gets me. Literally translating things into Esperanto seldom works for tools. (see the first post in this thread.) After some thought and reading in my DYI books I discovered that back saws and dovetail saws are use for joinery work. That is what makes them different from a crosscut saw or rip saw or hack saw.

So on second thought, in the second of my posts to this thread I suggested 'juntsegilo' for back saw. From that point a dovetail saw could be called (generically) a 'juntsegileto' or if necesary, according to My Buter and Wells dictionaries, a segilo por hirundvosta(j) junto(j).

I also have what I call a 'razor saw' which looks like a small dovetail saw with a very thin blade and very fine teeth. It's really useful for sawing plastic model kits, very this wood, and such.

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 17:49:26

My father was a carpenter in his younger years and I seem to remember him referring to what is for me just a normal saw, (the bottom one here in this illustration) as a Tenon saw. I can't recall him ever using the term backsaw.

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 19:28:36

I was once told by a British woman that they dont say "awl" in England either, but some other word I forgot since I only heard it once:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/awl

In fact she was so confused by the word "awl", that she could not understand it and pronounced it as "all" instead.

NJ Esperantist (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 22:56:23

sudanglo:My father was a carpenter in his younger years and I seem to remember him referring to what is for me just a normal saw, (the bottom one here in this illustration) as a Tenon saw. I can't recall him ever using the term backsaw.
Sudanglo, we live in two countries divided by our common language. rido.gif That said, I watch woodworking videos made by two 'blokes' across the pond and it's always interesting some of the terminology they use. Even in English (both sides of the atlantic) tool names can be a matter of convention. If your father mostly or always used that kind of saw for cutting tennons then it would follow he might call it a tennoning saw.

For me a back saw was always seen in conjuction with a miter box, so I generally thought of it as a miter saw.

Also, just last week I was introduced to an apparently British term which I had never heard before, 'flying swarf.' Swarf was apparently borrowed from Norwegian and specifically means metal cuttings resulting from drilling. From its usage in this video, it seems the term ight be stretched to wood chips as well.

As far as Esperanto goes, I still think 'juntsegilo' is the best term as it's short and the saw is generally used for jointing, be it tennoning, dovetails, or just miter cuts for molding and finishing.

parsa9 (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-22 04:42:13

The Esperanta Bildvortaro [http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanta_Bildvortaro] has several saws on the carpenter page (115), but the back saw is on the "woodworker" page (127). It shows it as a mitre saw in a mitre box. They give two names for the saw: "bevel-segilo" and "fer-dorsa segilo." The former is bevel or mitre saw, the latter means iron-backed saw. The mitre box is a "bevel-kesto."

Sorry, I didn't see Sudanglo's earlier comment. In any case, I also think ferdorsa segilo is the best.

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