Prefix MAL + verb
di EoMy, 07 aprile 2012
Messaggi: 12
Lingua: English
EoMy (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 13:44:37
I have problem in this verb formation. The problem is WHEN to use the mal + verb, for example, malaperis.
But mal is the opposite of adjective, malbela etc.
Thus, if the verb forming of the followings, what is right and wrong?
malvidas
maltrinkas
But most of the time, we see ne vidas, ne trinkas. It sounds odd to say malvidas vin.
Search for a while for the topic,but cannot find it. Hope it is not a double post. Please give good example and clear explanation.
Thanks.
darkweasel (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 13:57:17
EoMy (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 13:59:57
darkweasel:You can use mal- with anything that has a logical opposite, whether it’s an adjective, verb, noun or even preposition (maltrans?).How about 'malviro' ? a female. But many say it is not possible.
darkweasel (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 14:08:03
EoMy:Theoretically it’s probably possible, but it is not useful so it is not used.darkweasel:You can use mal- with anything that has a logical opposite, whether it’s an adjective, verb, noun or even preposition (maltrans?).How about 'malviro' ? a female. But many say it is not possible.
Fenris_kcf (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 14:09:48
kefga_x (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 14:30:38
EoMy:malvidasSelamat EoMy, I remember thinking about this very thing in the past.
maltrinkas
But most of the time, we see ne vidas, ne trinkas. It sounds odd to say malvidas vin.
It's a bit subtle but the difference is important.
Ne vidas = not see
Malvidas = opposite-of-see (unsee?)
Ne trikas = not drink
Maltrinkas= opposite-of-drink (puke?)
Hope that helps!
erinja (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 16:47:17
Not every combination of "Root + prefix or suffix" will make sense. Logic should guide your choices. You can make combinations that don't make good sense, or which have ambiguous meaning. These should be avoided.
mal- (opposite) has a meaning that is very distinct from ne (not).
"not red" has a very different meaning from "opposite of red" (and what does "opposite of red" even mean? this is why you don't expect to see a word like "malruĝa")
maltrinki (opposite of drink) is occasionally used by young people as a humorous way to say "urini" (to urinate)
acdibble (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 19:38:17
erinja:and what does "opposite of red" even mean?Perhaps it means green:
http://www.artsconnected.org/toolkit/images/encyc_...
And for malvidi:
What has been seen cannot be unseen.
Kio estas vidita, ne povas esti malvidita.
sudanglo (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 20:28:53
I leave it to someone else to translate that into English.
EldanarLambetur (Mostra il profilo) 07 aprile 2012 20:45:31
sudanglo:Kiam mi studis en la mal-lernejo, mi mal-lernis multon. Nun mi scias preskaŭ nenion. Mi estis unu el la plej bonaj mallernantoj kaj eĉ ricevis premion.Iom ŝerce:
I leave it to someone else to translate that into English.
When I studied in a pub, much fell out of my brain. Now I know almost nothing. I was one of the best drunks, and even got a prize!
