Prefix MAL + verb
от EoMy, 7 апреля 2012 г.
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EoMy (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 13:44:37
I have problem in this verb formation. The problem is WHEN to use the mal + verb, for example, malaperis.
But mal is the opposite of adjective, malbela etc.
Thus, if the verb forming of the followings, what is right and wrong?
malvidas
maltrinkas
But most of the time, we see ne vidas, ne trinkas. It sounds odd to say malvidas vin.
Search for a while for the topic,but cannot find it. Hope it is not a double post. Please give good example and clear explanation.
Thanks.
darkweasel (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 13:57:17
EoMy (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 13:59:57
darkweasel:You can use mal- with anything that has a logical opposite, whether it’s an adjective, verb, noun or even preposition (maltrans?).How about 'malviro' ? a female. But many say it is not possible.
darkweasel (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 14:08:03
EoMy:Theoretically it’s probably possible, but it is not useful so it is not used.darkweasel:You can use mal- with anything that has a logical opposite, whether it’s an adjective, verb, noun or even preposition (maltrans?).How about 'malviro' ? a female. But many say it is not possible.
Fenris_kcf (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 14:09:48
kefga_x (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 14:30:38
EoMy:malvidasSelamat EoMy, I remember thinking about this very thing in the past.
maltrinkas
But most of the time, we see ne vidas, ne trinkas. It sounds odd to say malvidas vin.
It's a bit subtle but the difference is important.
Ne vidas = not see
Malvidas = opposite-of-see (unsee?)
Ne trikas = not drink
Maltrinkas= opposite-of-drink (puke?)
Hope that helps!
erinja (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 16:47:17
Not every combination of "Root + prefix or suffix" will make sense. Logic should guide your choices. You can make combinations that don't make good sense, or which have ambiguous meaning. These should be avoided.
mal- (opposite) has a meaning that is very distinct from ne (not).
"not red" has a very different meaning from "opposite of red" (and what does "opposite of red" even mean? this is why you don't expect to see a word like "malruĝa")
maltrinki (opposite of drink) is occasionally used by young people as a humorous way to say "urini" (to urinate)
acdibble (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 19:38:17
erinja:and what does "opposite of red" even mean?Perhaps it means green:
http://www.artsconnected.org/toolkit/images/encyc_...
And for malvidi:
What has been seen cannot be unseen.
Kio estas vidita, ne povas esti malvidita.
sudanglo (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 20:28:53
I leave it to someone else to translate that into English.
EldanarLambetur (Показать профиль) 7 апреля 2012 г., 20:45:31
sudanglo:Kiam mi studis en la mal-lernejo, mi mal-lernis multon. Nun mi scias preskaŭ nenion. Mi estis unu el la plej bonaj mallernantoj kaj eĉ ricevis premion.Iom ŝerce:
I leave it to someone else to translate that into English.
When I studied in a pub, much fell out of my brain. Now I know almost nothing. I was one of the best drunks, and even got a prize!
