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Kien vi volas?

จาก acdibble, 14 สิงหาคม 2012

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ภาษา: English

erinja (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 14 สิงหาคม 2012, 23:27:53

sudanglo:You could be even more economical. If one Esperantist passed another in the street hurrying in the opposite direction he might call out Kien vi? To which the reply might come 'Al la kongesejo. Kaj vi?
I would even go so far as to say that "Kien vi?" would be much more common than "Kien vi volas?"; I hear (and use) the equivalent of "Kien vi?" frequently, but not "Kien vi volas?"

Vestitor (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 14 สิงหาคม 2012, 23:58:46

Any chance of confusion in that Kien vi? could be taken to mean either 'Where are you?' or 'Where do you want to (go)?'
Not that minor misunderstanding is absent from colloquially unfinished sentences in any language.

Hyperboreus (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 15 สิงหาคม 2012, 00:23:38

Forigite

Vestitor (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 15 สิงหาคม 2012, 00:33:32

This is why I'm a novice.

hebda999 (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 16 สิงหาคม 2012, 05:44:26

erinja:
I would even go so far as to say that "Kien vi?" would be much more common than "Kien vi volas?"; I hear (and use) the equivalent of "Kien vi?" frequently, but not "Kien vi volas?"
Strangely enough: in Polish we have:
"ty dokąd?" or "ty gdzie?" = "vi kien?" = "you where to?"
but it is considered to be a bit parental or rude. Nevertheless esperanto variant might be quite ok.

tommjames (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 16 สิงหาคม 2012, 10:08:25

Apparently this implied "go" exists in Russian too. My girlfriend today told me in English "I want to Russia!" (she's looking forward to her coming holidays there). So I asked "you want what to Russia?", and the reply was "to go, of course!". So if I ever succeed in converting her to Esperanto she'll probably use phrases like "Kien vi volas?" too ridulo.gif

hebda999 (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 สิงหาคม 2012, 05:13:28

tommjames:Apparently this implied "go" exists in Russian too. My girlfriend today told me in English "I want to Russia!" (she's looking forward to her coming holidays there). ...
It seems to be the feature of most Slavic languages:

Polish: chcę do Polski = mi volas (reveni, veturi) al Polujo = I want to Poland

chcę = mi volas = I want
do = al = to
Polski = Polujo = Poland

same:

chcę do mamy = mi volas al panjo
chcę do domu = mi volas hejmen
...

acdibble (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 สิงหาคม 2012, 05:47:44

Hmm. I guess I'll start saying, "Whither want you?" to popularize this usage in the English language.

EldanarLambetur (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 สิงหาคม 2012, 10:20:09

acdibble:Hmm. I guess I'll start saying, "Whither want you?" to popularize this usage in the English language.
I approve! ridego.gif

erinja (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 สิงหาคม 2012, 11:33:21

Just make sure that the person answers "thither!"

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