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Go fish?

von Frith Ra, 29. September 2013

Beiträge: 20

Sprache: English

Rejsi (Profil anzeigen) 4. Oktober 2013 05:02:44

Bruso:I started a thread about card game names here earlier this year.

Translating card game names doesn't seem to be a high priority item for Esperantists, but what little has been done appears to be phonetic representation rather than translation.

So why not "gofiŝo"?
But "Euchre" and "Rummy" are meaningless words. "Go fish" can actually be translated into other languages. And it in fact, has been translated in different languages.

Ex: In Spanish, it's "¡Pesca!" (command "Fish!" ). In Danish(?), it's "Fisk" (again, relating to fish/fishing). It's just that in some languages/cultures, people appear to call the game "quartet" or "quadruples" instead.

Bruso (Profil anzeigen) 4. Oktober 2013 09:17:23

Rejsi:
But "Euchre" and "Rummy" are meaningless words.
"Rummy" comes from the drink rum. (Two drinks in the game Gin Rummy.) Maybe "rumeto" would have been a possibility.

"Bridge" isn't meaningless, yet in Esperanto the card game is "briĝo", not "ponto".

The trouble isn't so much that the names are meaningless as that the origin of many card game names is disputed (euchre and poker, e.g.). Competing meanings, not lack of meaning.

The trouble with "go fish" is that it's used as an imperative sentence in the playing of the game, yet has to be a noun when naming the game. That's not a problem for English, but in Esperanto commands and nouns must have different endings.

So Zamenhof's rule 15 looks like a reasonable option to me: adapt the name to Esperanto phonology with the appropriate ending. At least if you're borrowing the name from English.
Different arguments apply if you want to use "quartet" as the base term.

Rejsi (Profil anzeigen) 5. Oktober 2013 01:49:07

Bruso:That's not a problem for English, but in Esperanto commands and nouns must have different endings.
Wow. You have no idea how retarded I feel right now. Durr.

Apologies.

RiotNrrd (Profil anzeigen) 5. Oktober 2013 02:33:35

Bruso:So Zamenhof's rule 15 looks like a reasonable option to me: adapt the name to Esperanto phonology with the appropriate ending.
Just to be obnoxious: gofiŝo is one word, but in English "Go Fish" is two words. So it's not a solid one-to-one match.

I think it's probably the best choice, though. ridulo.gif

BoriQa (Profil anzeigen) 5. Oktober 2013 12:26:36

RiotNrrd:gofiŝo is one word, but in English "Go Fish" is two words. So it's not a solid one-to-one match.
This brings up (to me at least) a basic question about compound words in Esperanto.

In this particular case, which would be prefered by Esperantists: "Gofiŝo" or "Go Fiŝo"?

Thanks.

erinja (Profil anzeigen) 6. Oktober 2013 01:05:06

I doubt that foreign Esperanto speakers would have a clue what was being asked, if they were asked whether they want to pay "gofiŝo".

A name based on an English name doesn't seem very international in this case.

If you are serious about finding a word, I suggest going to the Esperanto forums to get the opinions of people who don't necessarily speak English.

mjdh1957 (Profil anzeigen) 6. Oktober 2013 12:52:21

erinja:I doubt that foreign Esperanto speakers would have a clue what was being asked, if they were asked whether they want to pay "gofiŝo".

A name based on an English name doesn't seem very international in this case.

If you are serious about finding a word, I suggest going to the Esperanto forums to get the opinions of people who don't necessarily speak English.
As a Brit, I have never heard of this game, or at least by that name. Is it well known in general?

Bruso (Profil anzeigen) 6. Oktober 2013 13:26:23

mjdh1957:
As a Brit, I have never heard of this game, or at least by that name. Is it well known general?
Good question. It's considered a children's game, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread.

Here's a good rules summary and some variants:

Go Fish

mjdh1957 (Profil anzeigen) 6. Oktober 2013 15:51:11

Bruso:
mjdh1957:
As a Brit, I have never heard of this game, or at least by that name. Is it well known general?
Good question. It's considered a children's game, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread.

Here's a good rules summary and some variants:

Go Fish
I've played it as Happy Families when I was a child. I didn't realise it existed under different names elsewhere.

ShannonCC (Profil anzeigen) 15. Oktober 2013 17:42:13

Slightly off topic, but I'm brand new to Esperanto and think Go Fish would be a fun way for helping to learn numbers with my 11 year old.

Would I say (for example) Ĉu vi havas trioj? Or do the numbers get pluralized another way?

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