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Rejsi (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 05:02:44 Ngày 04 tháng 10 năm 2013
Bruso:I started a thread about card game names here earlier this year.But "Euchre" and "Rummy" are meaningless words. "Go fish" can actually be translated into other languages. And it in fact, has been translated in different languages.
Translating card game names doesn't seem to be a high priority item for Esperantists, but what little has been done appears to be phonetic representation rather than translation.
So why not "gofiŝo"?
Ex: In Spanish, it's "¡Pesca!" (command "Fish!" ). In Danish(?), it's "Fisk" (again, relating to fish/fishing). It's just that in some languages/cultures, people appear to call the game "quartet" or "quadruples" instead.
Bruso (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 09:17:23 Ngày 04 tháng 10 năm 2013
Rejsi:"Rummy" comes from the drink rum. (Two drinks in the game Gin Rummy.) Maybe "rumeto" would have been a possibility.
But "Euchre" and "Rummy" are meaningless words.
"Bridge" isn't meaningless, yet in Esperanto the card game is "briĝo", not "ponto".
The trouble isn't so much that the names are meaningless as that the origin of many card game names is disputed (euchre and poker, e.g.). Competing meanings, not lack of meaning.
The trouble with "go fish" is that it's used as an imperative sentence in the playing of the game, yet has to be a noun when naming the game. That's not a problem for English, but in Esperanto commands and nouns must have different endings.
So Zamenhof's rule 15 looks like a reasonable option to me: adapt the name to Esperanto phonology with the appropriate ending. At least if you're borrowing the name from English.
Different arguments apply if you want to use "quartet" as the base term.
Rejsi (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 01:49:07 Ngày 05 tháng 10 năm 2013
Bruso:That's not a problem for English, but in Esperanto commands and nouns must have different endings.Wow. You have no idea how retarded I feel right now. Durr.
Apologies.
RiotNrrd (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 02:33:35 Ngày 05 tháng 10 năm 2013
Bruso:So Zamenhof's rule 15 looks like a reasonable option to me: adapt the name to Esperanto phonology with the appropriate ending.Just to be obnoxious: gofiŝo is one word, but in English "Go Fish" is two words. So it's not a solid one-to-one match.
I think it's probably the best choice, though.
BoriQa (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:26:36 Ngày 05 tháng 10 năm 2013
RiotNrrd:gofiŝo is one word, but in English "Go Fish" is two words. So it's not a solid one-to-one match.This brings up (to me at least) a basic question about compound words in Esperanto.
In this particular case, which would be prefered by Esperantists: "Gofiŝo" or "Go Fiŝo"?
Thanks.
erinja (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 01:05:06 Ngày 06 tháng 10 năm 2013
A name based on an English name doesn't seem very international in this case.
If you are serious about finding a word, I suggest going to the Esperanto forums to get the opinions of people who don't necessarily speak English.
mjdh1957 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:52:21 Ngày 06 tháng 10 năm 2013
erinja:I doubt that foreign Esperanto speakers would have a clue what was being asked, if they were asked whether they want to pay "gofiŝo".As a Brit, I have never heard of this game, or at least by that name. Is it well known in general?
A name based on an English name doesn't seem very international in this case.
If you are serious about finding a word, I suggest going to the Esperanto forums to get the opinions of people who don't necessarily speak English.
Bruso (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 13:26:23 Ngày 06 tháng 10 năm 2013
mjdh1957:Good question. It's considered a children's game, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread.
As a Brit, I have never heard of this game, or at least by that name. Is it well known general?
Here's a good rules summary and some variants:
Go Fish
mjdh1957 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:51:11 Ngày 06 tháng 10 năm 2013
Bruso:I've played it as Happy Families when I was a child. I didn't realise it existed under different names elsewhere.mjdh1957:Good question. It's considered a children's game, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread.
As a Brit, I have never heard of this game, or at least by that name. Is it well known general?
Here's a good rules summary and some variants:
Go Fish
ShannonCC (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:42:13 Ngày 15 tháng 10 năm 2013
Would I say (for example) Ĉu vi havas trioj? Or do the numbers get pluralized another way?