-iĝo and -ado
by kaŝperanto, October 8, 2014
Messages: 23
Language: English
sergejm (User's profile) October 10, 2014, 7:32:00 AM
Fenris_kcf:At least, not only German-biased, but Russian too.
IMO the use of "kontraŭ" in these translations is too (German-biased) idiomatic (like discussed in the "Standardization"-thread). One could use "komparite al" instead.
In Russian, if I use "по сравнению" (kompare al), I compare about same range things.
If I use "против" (kontraŭ), the second thing is more strong:
Kion signifas pafilo kontraŭ kanono?
By "fondado de banko" you can steal more money than by "enrompo en bankon", ĉu ne?
ustra (User's profile) October 10, 2014, 8:30:14 AM
Fenris_kcf:IMO the use of "kontraŭ" in these translations is too (German-biased) idiomatic (like discussed in the "Standardization"-thread). One could use "komparite al" instead.I have been thinking about that too but came to the conclusion that it should be comprehensible to any reader. In Polish the usage of "kontraŭ" (przeciwko) works also nicely.
Brecht was a fine artist after all and he certainly wanted to intensify his comparisons. And I think it is marvelous how such seemingly simple sentences unfold the closer you look at them. That experience shouldn't be taken away by a translation.
kaŝperanto (User's profile) October 10, 2014, 7:07:41 PM
ustra:Indeed, I completely "get" the use of kontraux in this context. It is an entirely appropriate translation of the English "versus", which makes sense in this scenario. In fact, the Lernu vortaro translates "versus" as "kontraux". Versus also gives me the feeling of a form of opposition/competition as opposed to a comparison. It makes sense if he is trying to emotionally charge the sentence.Fenris_kcf:IMO the use of "kontraŭ" in these translations is too (German-biased) idiomatic (like discussed in the "Standardization"-thread). One could use "komparite al" instead.I have been thinking about that too but came to the conclusion that it should be comprehensible to any reader. In Polish the usage of "kontraŭ" (przeciwko) works also nicely.
Brecht was a fine artist after all and he certainly wanted to intensify his comparisons. And I think it is marvelous how such seemingly simple sentences unfold the closer you look at them. That experience shouldn't be taken away by a translation.
I also find his style to be entertaining. I believe Brecht's works shall find a place in my very long list of leg-endaj legaĵoj.