erinja:Not cool to trash liberals, Polaris. Groupthink exists in all parts of the political spectrum. I actually mean what I say about not trashing other groups, and this includes snide remarks ("Oh, you're suggesting XYZ? Har har har, sounds just like group ABC!!!")

Pardon me if I misinterpreted things, but it looked to me as though Vejktoro's entire comment (the one I was referring to) was a snide swipe at me and those who think like me to begin with---as was his comment below where he calls me by name and says "if I lived there..." I'm not going to repeat it...you can read it. "Group think", as you put it, may indeed exist in all parts of the political spectrum--and my point is that if he's going to accuse me and imply that those like me are like that, then he needs to look in the mirror--it exists there, too.

I'm not coming here to get into it with Vejktoro or engage in some spitting match with him or anybody else, so I'll simply drop it at this, but there was a context to what I said---I wasn't simply "bashing" liberals.

Yep!

That was a go pack myself!!

Polaris:
Pardon me if I misinterpreted things, but it looked to me as though Vejktoro's entire comment (the one I was referring to) was a snide swipe at me and those who think like me to begin with---as was his comment below where he calls me by name and says "if I lived there..." I'm not going to repeat it...you can read it. "Group think", as you put it, may indeed exist in all parts of the political spectrum--and my point is that if he's going to accuse me and imply that those like me are like that, then he needs to look in the mirror--it exists there, too.

I'm not coming here to get into it with Vejktoro or engage in some spitting match with him or anybody else, so I'll simply drop it at this, but there was a context to what I said---I wasn't simply "bashing" liberals.

Actually, Polaris, my little speil about the 'group what thinks like me' had nothing to do with you, just a comment on the thread. I liked your post, thought it was funny. And geeze b'y, I'm only carrying on with my explanation of 'shag.'.. I thought that was funny too.

Must be a cultural difference.

vejktoro:

Polaris:
Pardon me if I misinterpreted things, but it looked to me as though Vejktoro's entire comment (the one I was referring to) was a snide swipe at me and those who think like me to begin with---as was his comment below where he calls me by name and says "if I lived there..." I'm not going to repeat it...you can read it. "Group think", as you put it, may indeed exist in all parts of the political spectrum--and my point is that if he's going to accuse me and imply that those like me are like that, then he needs to look in the mirror--it exists there, too.

I'm not coming here to get into it with Vejktoro or engage in some spitting match with him or anybody else, so I'll simply drop it at this, but there was a context to what I said---I wasn't simply "bashing" liberals.

Actually, Polaris, my little speil about the 'group what thinks like me' had nothing to do with you, just a comment on the thread. I liked your post, thought it was funny. And geeze b'y, I'm only carrying on with my explanation of 'shag.'.. I thought that was funny too.

Must be a cultural difference.

Well, I owe you an apology, then Vejktoro--sincerely...I completely misinterpreted your comment. As to the thing about "shag", I understand that it's British slang for the 'F' word. Trust me, I wouldn't tell you that!

Polaris:I completely misinterpreted your comment. As to the thing about "shag", I understand that it's British slang for the 'F' word. Trust me, I wouldn't tell you that!

No worries, and no apology needed - a misunderstanding is not to be blamed on one of the party.

The point to be taken in relation to my tongue-in-cheek post earlier: although we definitely do not see eye to eye on this or that issue, we two seem to have a good command of English, but with slightly different lexicon and cultural background our communication is confounded.

This is the tall order a thing like Esperanto dares to take on. What an order! Indeed, the close is much more readily understood.

On to explicatives (as I do love to use them.) "Shag", as it turns out is the perfect example of a word not making it across borders. Polaris, you would not tell me to go F...(thanks), nor I you. In jest however, a young fellow here might tell his own mother to shag off serving brussels sprouts. It really is very soft here and we could rib each other in sentences so peppered without inciting anger.

That said, it appears I must apologize to the British Isles for all the cursing. Oops. From now on, I will only tell people to take a packin' leap as that seems to bother nobody outside my closest half million.

Polaris:

nornen:I don't think that equalling gay pride marches to nazi youth rallies is helping to promote Esperanto...

Polaris:[...] carrying signs at a "gay pride" march declaring that their national Esperanto community supports the homosexual agenda is practically Orwellian. [...]

This would be no different than having Esperantists show up at Nazi Youth rally with signs saying their local Esperanto community supports National Socialism, [...]

I am still astonished that you actually wrote this. You are exhibit A of those Malborough Baptist Church lernu users, I mentioned in another thread. No matter what your actual church is called.

This is almost too ridiculous to dignify with a response; however, if you had bothered to actually read (with any degree of understanding) what I have written on this thread, you might have noticed that I have mentioned a whole gamut of controversial social/political events--including Tea Party events, Republican rallies, feminist "partial-birth abortion" speeches, etc. Since it apparently needs to be stated, let me make clear that no attempt was made to establish a moral equivalence between the groups I mentioned--I could have also mentioned church events, union rallies, or partisan candidate symposiums and made the same point.

I did this as an example of the inappropriateness of Esperantists taking positions at highly controversial events in the name of the local/national/international Esperanto groups they represent when they have no right to declare that their members support the objectives of those controversial groups. I really don't have the energy or even the desire to go through it all with you and recap the whole thread just so you won't jump to the wrong conclusions and miss the point--if you're already comparing the comments you've read to (what I BELIEVE you meant to say) Westboro Bapt. Church, then I'm sure it would be futile to try to disuade you, regardless of what I say, so think what you want to--you're going to anyway. And yes, it IS practically Orwellian for one or two people in an organization to put forth their opinions as THE views for the entire group when that group's objectives have nothing to do with the content of the rally they are attending.

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