novatago:

leporinjo:

novatago:

leporinjo:I'd rather just talk to Bertilo about it myself; we're friends on Facebook and he has been involved in many of the same discussions, although he is taking a neutral stance. Funny how so many Akademianoj are so much less sure about what Esperanto is and isn't than you are. You should ask to become a member.

Well many people has a clear opinion of things, that they just don't feel free to express. It's not a surprise that academians don't express their shelves in terms that, with no doubt, you would describe as extremists, no matter if they are actually extremits or not.

I linked you to an article where academy member Markos Kramer extensively expresses himself on the issue of gender reform in Esperanto; have you read it yet? No; all you did was shut me down with "read PMEG."

No because I don't mind that. I mind Esperanto. Of course, I didn't mean that every academian member has a right opinion. They are still humans as we are.

Except for you; you know all the answers. Some Academy members are wrong if you say they are. Who are you?

leporinjo:

Except for you; you know all the answers. Some Academy members are wrong if you say they are. Who are you?

Someone who understands why there is a netuŝubla fundamento. I know there were and there are academian members that don't understand that. The most coherence decided to give up.

novatago:

leporinjo:

novatago:
You don't like, just give up.

No. I'm here whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

Great arguement. So you are right because of that of something. But just don't ask people to understand or respect your incoherence.

I don't have to be right; my position doesn't require that I be completely right about everything all the time. My position is that these issues are fuzzier than you think they are, which means I can be wrong- everyone can be wrong, including me, including you, including Bertilo Wennergren, including Zamenhof.

Your position is that they are not fuzzy and it is black and white; you believe absolutely, 100%, unequivocally that you know exactly what the Fundamento says and what it doesn't. I have already shown you that you don't. Your position has fallen apart, because it is untenable.

novatago: No because I don't mind that. I mind Esperanto. Of course, I didn't mean that every academian member has a right opinion. They are still humans as we are.

It must be so nice being right all the time.

leporinjo:
I don't have to be right; my position doesn't require that I be completely right about everything all the time. My position is that these issues are fuzzier than you think they are, which means I can be wrong.

Your position is that they are not fuzzy and it is black and white; you believe absolutely, 100%, unequivocally that you know exactly what the Fundamento says and what it doesn't. I have already shown you that you don't. Your position has fallen apart, because it is untenable.

You only have a sophism (in case of having really something). Deal with it.

I mean, what does it say right here, on the cover of the PMEG: http://bertilow.com/pmeg/index.html

Version 15.0. Fifteen! Why have there been fifteen versions of the PMEG if the Fundamento is so clear? For that matter, why is there a PMEG at all?

makis:

novatago: No because I don't mind that. I mind Esperanto. Of course, I didn't mean that every academian member has a right opinion. They are still humans as we are.

It must be so nice being right all the time.

Well, read that sentence more slowly, I think you missed something.

Mark Twain:Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

leporinjo:I mean, what does it say right here, on the cover of the PMEG: http://bertilow.com/pmeg/index.html

Version 15.0. Fifteen! Why have there been fifteen versions of the PMEG if the Fundamento is so clear?

Very stupid question. Do you really know what PMEG is about. I quit this, arg! You win for making one of the most stupid argument I ever read. Be proud.

Ĝis, Novatago.

I'm extremely proud of how you have gone from a position of smug conviction in your own rationality and rightness to childish name-calling in minutes.