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How would one say "don't have to" in Esperanto?

viết bởi LiamBeaman, Ngày 21 tháng 5 năm 2016

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LiamBeaman (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:30:11 Ngày 21 tháng 5 năm 2016

I have been confused by this topic ever since I entered the Esperanto community.

I would like to know how to say the English phrase, "I don't have to," as in "I'm not required to," but the closest thing I could come up with is the Esperanto phrase "Mi ne devas." However, I think this is more accurately translate as "I mustn't," which isn't the right thing to say.

Is there a particular word or word combination in Esperanto that would translate to "don't have to?"

Vestitor (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:49:39 Ngày 21 tháng 5 năm 2016

'Have to' and 'must' are the same thing here. That means you can render Mi ne devas as: I mustn't...' or 'I don't have to...'

It only requires the addition of another verb like e.g. iri or aŭskulti to see what devas means.

Balbutanto (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 23:48:17 Ngày 21 tháng 5 năm 2016

LiamBeaman:I have been confused by this topic ever since I entered the Esperanto community.

I would like to know how to say the English phrase, "I don't have to," as in "I'm not required to," but the closest thing I could come up with is the Esperanto phrase "Mi ne devas." However, I think this is more accurately translate as "I mustn't," which isn't the right thing to say.

Is there a particular word or word combination in Esperanto that would translate to "don't have to?"
The answer above will do the trick, but you can also say something like: Ne estas ende, ke mi... (plus a verb with a -u ending).

Fenris_kcf (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 00:02:33 Ngày 22 tháng 5 năm 2016

The confusion most likely arises due to the fact that when using "must" in English a negation affects the main verb instead of the inflected modal verb (like in all other cases). It's a little hard to explain in English since the whole modal verb system is kind of broken, but let me try:

"i cannot sleep."

In this phrase the negated verb is "can". The writing "cannot" shows this. Negating "sleep" would result in a different meaning and is probably expressed in a total different way, e.g.: "i can do the following thing: not sleep." (~ "i can stay awake."). I know some will say that "i can not sleep." is a way to express this, but there seems to be a controversy about that ...

However in the case of must it's the other way round:

"i must not sleep."

... means: "i must do the following thing: not sleep.". Now negating "must" requires a different phrase like e.g. "i don't have to / need to sleep.".

In Esperanto one can negate both main verb and modal verb, but usually only the modal verb is negated. So "mi ne devas fari tion." indeed means "i don't have to do this.".

imd (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 01:24:20 Ngày 22 tháng 5 năm 2016

I would answer a bit differently. First, "do not have to" and "must not" don't mean the same thing; "must not" and "have to not" do. "Ne devas" means "not have to"; "devas ne" means "have to not," i.e. "must not." Examples:
Vi ne devas manĝi la kukon.
You don't have to eat the cake.
but
Vi devas ne manĝi la kukon.
You have to not eat the cake.
You mustn't eat the cake.

Kristal (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 01:39:16 Ngày 22 tháng 5 năm 2016

Fenris_kcf:... let me try:

"i cannot sleep."

In this phrase the negated verb is "can"...

However in the case of must it's the other way round:

"i must not sleep."

... Now negating "must" requires a different phrase like e.g. "i don't have to / need to sleep.".

In Esperanto one can negate both main verb and modal verb, but usually only the modal verb is negated. So "mi ne devas fari tion." indeed means "i don't have to do this.".
Yes, good reasoning; but, I would complain the problem is from thinking "have to" means what it says. These two words, together, form an expression that means something to me only because I grew up speaking American-English. I later learned "have to" does not directly word-for-word translate into other languages. I learned to substitute the meaning of my thoughts for the habitual use of a phrase. For example, I would say "you need not do something," instead of saying, "You do not have to do that."

The words: have, do, & to; these words cause me to stumble in my learning of languages every time that I try to compare the words with phrases and expressions in colloquial use in English.

RiotNrrd (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:59:23 Ngày 22 tháng 5 năm 2016

Ne necesas ke mi tion fari.

robbkvasnak (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:10:22 Ngày 22 tháng 5 năm 2016

Mi ne bezonas fari tion

Alkanadi (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:55:56 Ngày 22 tháng 5 năm 2016

robbkvasnak:Mi ne bezonas fari tion
I think this works well. Just curious, why bezonas instead of devas?

LiamBeaman (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:31:45 Ngày 23 tháng 5 năm 2016

robbkvasnak:Mi ne bezonas fari tion
The word "bezonas" in Esperanto means that someone actually is in need of something. However, the word "devas" translates to must in English.

To say I am in need of doing that sounds very strange...

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