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Rogir (Arată profil) 1 decembrie 2008, 23:54:00
Probably everyone also thinks that Esperanto is suited to be that international language. Easy, neutral, rich, etc.
But what if another language is elected as international language? That's not an unlikely possibility! Will you learn this language, or even support such a proposal?
Should we, aside from supporting Esperanto, also support the idea that any international language would be better than none? Shouldn't we promise that if any language will be elected by a democratic or intergovernmental method, we will all support it? Even if it's a natural language we don't like?
noroots (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 00:05:49
my opinion is be together.
if all of human can understand each other
then there is no war.
i have hope - like all of us.
((i am sorry for my broken english))
ceigered (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 06:37:49
Rogir:But what if another language is elected as international language? That's not an unlikely possibility! Will you learn this language, or even support such a proposal?I would. In the event of a language becoming earth's 'official' language, I'd hope though that it is easy, allows for incompetencies (e.g. just like a natural language like English or Spanish would) and sounds cool/epic (a.k.a. aesthetically pleasing).
Theoretically, English matches many of these, but it is in no way neutral. Similarly, Spanish and Chinese have their benefits of being widespread and frequently slaughtered by foreigners (mostly anglophiles), but also are in no way neutral. I think Esperanto can reach true neutrality over time as the vocabulary adapts to take in foreign influences, but for now, Esperanto too isn't yet at the stage to 'take over' from English* as the 'world language' - it still needs more speakers (will happen hopefully soon), it needs to continue becoming more natural for foreign speakers (slowly happening with the reduction of some difficult consonants), and most importantly it needs more resources (e.g. more video and animation, more literature that doesn't look like it's from the 80's, more video games (battle for wesnoth is an example)). Finally, it needs to be associated with ninjas... O_o Ok, that's just me being stupid, but the Esperanto pop-culture is a bit underdeveloped, and most talk on these forums revolves around language or neutrality issues - it's good, but we need more discussions about ninjas... o_O
Once those things are fulfilled by Esperanto or any other language, I'm happy to support it!
Damir (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 08:03:26
It's very interesting you say that Rogir--it seems to be a widespread feeling these days on the net. I've heard at least two bloggers and one Youtube rant on how Esperanto needs to be used to talk about everything under the sun rather than just language and Esperanto itself. For this, I've recently come across http://mojose.wordpress.com/ which blogs about cool stuff, whether gadgets or fashion or what-have-you in Esperanto, and also http://www.eventeo.net/web/ which is a news site with articles from all over the world translated into Esperanto. I really hope that gains support--it's a valuable resource and it's got a very spiffy and aesthetically pleasing layout.
If more blogs & sites like this emerge, I think Esperanto will be taken more seriously in the future. I for one will try to strive for it!
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Miland (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 10:48:53
Rohan (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 11:54:49
If the chosen language were to be a natural one, then I'd be dissatisfied with the lack of neutrality: having experienced what Esperanto has to offer, I wouldn't want to go back by even a step. Also, a natural language would probably bring along its baggage of exceptions and idioms, which are nothing but irksome and unnecessary get-riddables as far as human communication on a global scale is concerned.
However, I don't have such a ready argument against any constructed language that might be chosen. I'm tempted to argue that Esperanto already has a hundred years' worth of literature and usage and so on, but I suppose that if Ido, for example, were to be elected the international language, since people would quickly start learning and using it actively, it could acquire a body of literature as big as Esperanto's in maybe 15 years! So I don't think that argument would hold up. But I still wouldn't support it, if only due to emotional reasons...
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Rogir (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 14:45:25
For ceigered: come talk in the humuro section about ninjoj.
Ironchef (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 14:54:16
I was in Second Life recently and now people are using real-time translation scripts to translate (for example) English to Spanish and back again in real time text-chat. Impressive! Not perfect, but amazing when you think how this works.
I still think Esperanto works because it takes away the political and nationalistic barriers of mother-tongues. Levels the playing field so that everyone is equal when using it (we all had to learn it equally). I think the *need* for it is less, but it holds an important place in world cultural communications and certainly brings people together, samideanoj!
Rogir (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 14:56:59
noroots (Arată profil) 2 decembrie 2008, 22:41:47
if there is a international language,
it be already simple and beatiful.
almost any language is passed by natural selection.
i think, there is no need for discussion.