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In particular I draw your attention to this rule:

In the entire website, it is forbidden to:
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4. Make statements that:
a. Provoke hatred of a certain nation, race, religion, social group, or gender;
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Regardless of lernu's rules, if you feel hatred towards a certain ethnic group, then I think Esperanto is not the language for you.

devi:So you have to be those things you seem to gloat about to be in? Then necessarily is always gonna be very few, when coupled with the obstacles and difficulties faced per se. Whats the point of "agado" then?

It sounds like you've had some bad experiences with other Esperantists, which proves to illustrate a point. A self-elected linguistic diaspora is not free of extremists. Speaking Esperanto does not turn you into a saint, no one ever said it does.

devi:I read in PIV, via-example, but slurs are to be caught in unexpected places, in every place:
Oni iam (IAM?) distingis tri ĉefajn rasojn, (...)sed la modernaj genetikaj donitaĵoj evidentigas, ke rasa klasifiko de la homoj estas scienca sensencaĵo. This is a lie, as science knows today, and always knew, and lie is the crime of depriving other minds of the good of truth.

I don't know if I should grace this with a response.

devi:Per la ŝanĝo de la religio la tuta tiel nomata "hebrea raso" por ĉiam malaperus.And a Z subindex informs us Zamenhoff wrote that. My my. In other phrase, he said some nasty thing about gentiles.

Without context, I'd be slow to claim that that is a nasty thing he said about gentiles. I got the impression he was talking about the hebrew people changing their religion, not the gentiles.

Oŝo-Jabe:

devi:I read in PIV, via-example, but slurs are to be caught in unexpected places, in every place:
Oni iam (IAM?) distingis tri ĉefajn rasojn, (...)sed la modernaj genetikaj donitaĵoj evidentigas, ke rasa klasifiko de la homoj estas scienca sensencaĵo. This is a lie, as science knows today, and always knew, and lie is the crime of depriving other minds of the good of truth.

I don't know if I should grace this with a response.

I will (grace mightn't be the right word though, "collide head on with" is a much better phrase)

As far as races (group of people distinguished by heritage) go (or the historical definitions of "races" (I'm assuming that's the original content of the deleted message?)), they're pretty much the same. Sure, there might be some small genes here and there that differ (for example, Northern Europeans, if I'm correct, have a gene that allows them to deal with lactose better than other populations). What's most important though is how the mind works, and everyone's the same in that regard (saphir-worf or whatever it's called aside). In fact, I found some really good news on the subject, about how scientists were finding that nervous systems between two humans can be "linked" (and thus allow someone's feelings to duplicate into someone else's mind... so many uses ), but I can't find it anymore. The point being that we're all generally the same in mind, where it all counts.

Hopefully my somewhat ultra-egalitarian/anarchist argument diffuses and derails any more potential race discussions here.

paulina1:I enjoyed this topic.

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Mi ekas vomeme.

Mi gxojas ke Hitler faras iomete de boneco!

Hitlera malameco placxas al mi!

If you will ever been in London you should visit Madame Tussauds wax museum. There you will find behind a glas shim a wax puppet of this H. person you are faszinated of. Do you know why? No, I will tell you. Because one job of the museums house keeper team is to clean the glas shim from some visitors spits. Can you imagine what a person has been done to get such shim popularity?! So please stop this weird H. fan group show inside a esperanto forum. That would be great.

I think you misunderstand. Exactly because Hitler was against Esperanto, some people who do not like him learn Esperanto.

qwertz:Can you imagine what a person has been done to get such shim popularity?! So please stop this weird H. fan group show inside a esperanto forum. That would be great.

Jes, especially in Europe. Deaths, massacres, massives destructions, families suffering.
This topic is shocking and should not be ironic.

Walt Disney made a very funny Donald Duck cartoon poking fun at Hitler and the Nazis during WWII called Der Fuehrer's Face.

Rogir:I think you misunderstand. Exactly because Hitler was against Esperanto, some people who do not like him learn Esperanto.

Probably people who just studying propaganda material of this persons and don't have any interest in the historical follow-ups of this material to take care of their "fascination balance". I assume they also study KKK propaganda material to find some motivation learning Esperanto(?), isn't it? For me, it's quite shocking that people get fascinated again of this propaganda material and can grab motivation learning esperanto from the hate of a manic fanatic. In my opinion, they have never seen pictures of piles of deathly famished etc. bodies and don't know what Zyclon-B means. This person should visit one of the european concentration camp memorials to get a glue that this topic isn't really funny due to it's short time distance it happened.

Miland:Walt Disney made a funny cartoon making fun of Hitler during WWII called Der Fuehrer's Face.

Walter Moers (Germany) makes dozens of H. cartoons. I.e. this one But he don't wanna trigger any H. faszination.