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Accusative with compound?

viết bởi Halcyon, Ngày 16 tháng 2 năm 2010

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Halcyon (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 19:23:08 Ngày 16 tháng 2 năm 2010

I've been lurking here for a while but this is my first post!

Maybe compound isn't the correct term but essentially my question is this: When the direct object is a noun phrase like "Doktoro Esperanto", how do i mark it with the accusative?

Doktoron Esperanton? Doktoro Esperanton?

Dankon por via helpo!

darkweasel (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 19:25:05 Ngày 16 tháng 2 năm 2010

According to PMEG (Identiga priskribo), it's Doktoron Esperanto.

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:54:52 Ngày 17 tháng 2 năm 2010

Think about it like this - you're talking about the Doctor, who is coincidentally called "Esperanto" - the most important part is that he's a doctor.

Prezidento Obama = Prezidenton Obama (coz we're talking about the President. Although, in this case "obama" is just as easy to understand by context, but then you'd write "Obama, La Prezidento" or something like that).

(although despite my attempt to build on what Darkweasel said, I have to admit until he gave that answer I hadn't ever really thought about it much. Then again, I can't remember the last time I saw the Doctor. Not even when I supposedly got swine flu lango.gif)

Halcyon (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:57:04 Ngày 18 tháng 2 năm 2010

Thanks to both of your for your answers which both made a lot of sense. Next time i'll check PMEG first. lango.gif

Roberto12 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:47:26 Ngày 19 tháng 2 năm 2010

I thought this thread would be about actual compounds rather than apposition. So let me change the topic lango.gif

Does the word hundmanĝanto mean "one who's eating dog" or "a dog that's eating" ?

(I think it's the first.)

darkweasel (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:51:25 Ngày 19 tháng 2 năm 2010

Roberto12:I thought this thread would be about actual compounds rather than apposition. So let me change the topic lango.gif

Does the word hundmanĝanto mean "one who's eating dog" or "a dog that's eating" ?

(I think it's the first.)
You're right, it's the first, as the "basic word" is in the end of a compound. An eating dog would be a manĝanta hundo.

tommjames (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:00:41 Ngày 19 tháng 2 năm 2010

I'd translate it as a person who is "dog-eating". In terms of word construction this would be a similar concept to the word fiŝkapti, which shows the idea of attempting to catch fish (fishing), rather than actually catching fish (which would effectively make "fiŝ" the object.. not possible in compounds).

If the person who came up with this word intended it to mean a person who is eating a dog, the word is wrong. Prefixing a verb with a noun indicates the manner in which they do the action, not the actual object of the action.

Roberto12 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:20:14 Ngày 19 tháng 2 năm 2010

I've realised, uloj, that that was a lame example. Here's a better one:

Reĝmortigisto ("King-killer")

Is this someone who kills kings, or someone who kills on behalf of a king ?

darkweasel (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:30:17 Ngày 19 tháng 2 năm 2010

tommjames:
If the person who came up with this word intended it to mean a person who is eating a dog, the word is wrong. Prepending a verb with a noun indicates the manner in which they do the action, not the actual object of the action.
After a bit of discussion on IRC about this, it seems that we both agree that hundmanĝanto is a fine word but does not HAVE to mean (in practice it does mean) somebody who is eating a dog, it could also mean somebody who eats like a dog, or something else. See the linked discussion for more information.

A reĝmortigisto is somebody who kills a king, in probably most cases.

tommjames (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:33:43 Ngày 19 tháng 2 năm 2010

Heh, thanks for posting that without my consent shoko.gif rideto.gif

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